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<p>Likewise, Nick!</p>
<p>I see multiple tangents departing from the original conversation,
and I'm happy to roll back to the original thread.</p>
<p>You're spot on, save for a constant of integration. The
completion I had in mind was supposedly 1, 6, 1, [polyphony
ensues, sorry 6,10], 1, 8, 6, [1,10] ( <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va87qt0VZ2M"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va87qt0VZ2M</a>
).</p>
<p>-Matteo<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have no idea mathematically what
1,3,4,6,8,11,10; is, but musically its the first 7
notes of "if I had a ribbon bow" (<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM</a>).
In that case the completion would be, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But what is it really?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Matteo Morini <<a href="mailto:matteo@swarm.org"
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<p>Then, I raise you 1,3,4,6,8,11,10 !<o:p></o:p></p>
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to fear i had asked an unfair q. Gpt got it on the
first pass and then went on to say some interesting
things about mathematics and semantics<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 10:25<span
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Matteo Morini <a href="mailto:matteo@swarm.org"
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<p>(Western) music involved? A C major and a
mystery, possibly minor, scale respectively?<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 9:42<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM, Roger Frye
<a href="mailto:frye.roger@gmail.com"
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warned against high degree polynomial fitting.
He said "With four parameters I can fit an
elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle
his trunk.\u201d <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 10, 2025, at
7:08<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM, glen <a
href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><gepropella@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I figured it was one of these:<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C4%2C6%2C8%2C9%2C10%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search</a><br>
<a
href="https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C3%2C5%2C6%2C8%2C10%2C12%2C13%2C15&language=english&go=Search</a><br>
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Were it so, we'd need the next number
{16,17} to tell the difference. But like
many of Nick's riddles, I have no idea
what he intended.<br>
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On 9/9/25 8:40 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, 22. I needed
to constrain the two systems. Too much
linear algebra to want to explain, but
yeah, Vandermonde and all that.<br>
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 9:22<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Jon Zingale
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wrote:<br>
It's 29.<br>
I am assuming you are thinking of a
polynomial that generates each
sequence. Unfortunately, it's a 6th
degree polynomial and so solving for
the coefficients is a pain. You
construct a Vandermonde matrix (V) a
vector of dummy coefficients a = [a0,
a1, ..., a6]. Then you solve for the
coefficients relative to your sequence
(S), V * a = S.<br>
Python helped nicely:<br>
import numpy as np<br>
n1 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
6])<br>
y1 = np.array([1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10,
12])<br>
coeffs1 = np.polyfit(n1, y1, 6)<br>
sol1 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)<br>
n2 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
6])<br>
y2 = np.array([1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9,
10])<br>
coeffs2 = np.polyfit(n2, y2, 6)<br>
sol2 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)<br>
=>29<br>
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 3:17<span
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Sry. Should be all commas.<br>
Sent from my Dumb Phone<br>
On Sep 9, 2025, at 1:19<span
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Thompson <<a
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<span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">\ufeff</span><br>
Here are two mathematical
series<br>
1,3,5,6,8,10.12, __<br>
1.3.4,6,8,9,10, __<br>
Both have the same next number.<br>
Why, and what are we talking
about here?<br>
I predict that only Jon will
guess the answer.<br>
Please dont trouble yourself
with this if you have anything better
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