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Thank you, Matteo, for Jacob Collier. I never would have encountered him without you. I stuck with the video below, for the whole 30 minutes. It had me tearing up and grinning in equal measure the whole way through, of only because I kept expecting to trip
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EricS, while I am in, let me apologize for the definite article ("the answer") (I should have said "the answer I anticipated") and express my gratitude for not pounding me to death with it. I deserved death by definite article and was, as the gladiator by
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Also, while I am in, let me farm out a problem. The following tune, played on the black keys starting with C#, has been bedeviling me for years. I remember the words as, </div>
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I put the name Mandy in brackets because there is a song called Mandy and this is not it. None the less, that is the way I remember it. </div>
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The tune of "my" song, starting on D# is:</div>
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1,3,6,8,10, 13, 15, 18;</div>
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I suffered for years from a Christmas carol I remembered from my childhood, which I could find on no website of carols, British or English. It turned out to be written by the music teacher in my 7<sup>th</sup> grade music class and never published or sung
anywhere else, so far as I have been able to find. It's a bit like the Coventry Carol. The words of the first 2 verse2 are...</div>
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We'll go, husband dear,</div>
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In village and farm.</div>
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Poor wretches, the mothers,</div>
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<b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Matteo Morini <matteo@swarm.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2025 1:14 PM<br>
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<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Nick, I'm terribly sorry, have been travelling and couldn't process your fantastic assist, given my limited bandwidth, till now.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Music theory is a good kind of "down-the-rabbit-hole" situation which I had entertained for a long time.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Spoiler: we (most of us) have been living in a lie the whole time, equal temperament is a compromise and modern western music intervals sound wrong by necessity/construction. A short clip featuring this British
kid - an innate talent unfortunately made to become a Barnumesque human oddity - can be your red pill moment:
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<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Not being ensnared in any particular semantic frame (I own a black belt in amateurishness), mapping those numbers to pitches (I'm intentionally not using the n-word) came quite naturally. I apologise profusely
for my hard to read post, the constant of integration thing was supposed to convey the idea of transposed melody (by 3 semitones if I counted right). In other words, you've found a different pattern (If I had a ribbon bow) which also matches my sequence in
a different key.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">To wrap this up, I'd be delighted to delectate [1] on the 12 tone scale, but I'm hesitant to overfit the conversation onto this very ethnocentric concept.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Thank y'all for your patience,</p>
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I am NOT a troll, but I am a ferocious amateur in all matters, a plunger, a tourist , a dilletant,
<span style="font-size: 16px;">the fool who enters in where wise men fear to tread,</span> etc. I get a real joy from stumbling on the relations between things. And then wondering if the relations I have stumbled upon are merely superficial, or have some
profundity to them. So, while I can take delight in a relation between mathematics and music, I really know relatively little about either. So when you produced "If I had a ribbon bow" in the midst of a mathematical discussion, it was for me a wonderful
moment. And then I am tempted to fold the argument back on itself and ask is there anything mathematical about major and minor modes, in general, or that tune, in particular. I did wonder if illumination might be gotten by focussing on the intervals of the
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I am, in my plungerish sort of way, interested in what this implies about the semantics of mathematics. I have a long thread with Frank of this list in which we agree that mathematics, to the extent that it is a distinct field, has no semantics whatsoever. </div>
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As to ChatGPT (George), he, like me, is a plunger. Contrary to EricS, I did NOT consult him until after I had consulted you-all. I was surprized when he got the answer first pass. I flagged Jon Z on my original post, not because he is a mathematician,
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All of which is probably irrelevant to your last post, to which I should probably have responded, "I did not understand."</div>
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<b>From:</b> Friam <a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id="OWA3cd735df-eea3-7706-0ba2-288fc57ffbfc" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">
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<p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">Likewise, Nick!</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">I see multiple tangents departing from the original conversation, and I'm happy to roll back to the original thread.</p>
<p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;">You're spot on, save for a constant of integration. The completion I had in mind was supposedly 1, 6, 1, [polyphony ensues, sorry 6,10], 1, 8, 6, [1,10] (
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I have no idea mathematically what 1,3,4,6,8,11,10; is, but musically its the first 7 notes of "if I had a ribbon bow" (<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" data-auth="NotApplicable" class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext x_OWAAutoLink x_moz-txt-link-freetext" id="OWA98060807-36e2-0ab2-340c-0816f5569da2" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXwfsGBupM</a></u></span>).
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:45<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>AM Matteo Morini <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext x_OWAAutoLink x_moz-txt-link-freetext" id="OWA80eeee6a-dd3c-8ee1-cf25-b39a304aa696" href="mailto:matteo@swarm.org">matteo@swarm.org</a></u></span>>
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On 9/10/25 4:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:</p>
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Next number in both series is one. </p>
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 9:42<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>AM, Roger Frye
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<span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">\ufeff</span> Von Neuman warned against high degree polynomial fitting. He said "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.\u201d</p>
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On Sep 10, 2025, at 7:08<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>AM, glen
<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_OWAAutoLink" id="OWA7293acfc-ef35-6481-0b9a-b9a9b8a08f87" href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"><gepropella@gmail.com></a></u></span> wrote:<br>
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I figured it was one of these:<br>
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Were it so, we'd need the next number {16,17} to tell the difference. But like many of Nick's riddles, I have no idea what he intended.<br>
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On 9/9/25 8:40 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:<br>
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Sorry, 22. I needed to constrain the two systems. Too much linear algebra to want to explain, but yeah, Vandermonde and all that.<br>
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 9:22<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>PM Jon Zingale <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext x_OWAAutoLink x_moz-txt-link-freetext" id="OWAf9c95938-a35a-18cf-079e-0dc5c437983c" href="mailto:jonzingale@gmail.com">jonzingale@gmail.com</a></u></span>
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It's 29.<br>
I am assuming you are thinking of a polynomial that generates each sequence. Unfortunately, it's a 6th degree polynomial and so solving for the coefficients is a pain. You construct a Vandermonde matrix (V) a vector of dummy coefficients a = [a0, a1, ...,
a6]. Then you solve for the coefficients relative to your sequence (S), V * a = S.<br>
Python helped nicely:<br>
import numpy as np<br>
n1 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])<br>
y1 = np.array([1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12])<br>
coeffs1 = np.polyfit(n1, y1, 6)<br>
sol1 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)<br>
n2 = np.array([0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6])<br>
y2 = np.array([1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10])<br>
coeffs2 = np.polyfit(n2, y2, 6)<br>
sol2 = np.polyval(coeffs, 7)<br>
=>29<br>
On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 3:17<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>PM Nicholas Thompson <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext x_OWAAutoLink x_moz-txt-link-freetext" id="OWAd04e5864-0fbf-72c0-371f-41f6651b1386" href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a></u></span>
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Sry. Should be all commas.<br>
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On Sep 9, 2025, at 1:19<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>PM, Nicholas Thompson <<span style="color: blue;"><u><a style="color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="x_x_moz-txt-link-freetext x_OWAAutoLink x_moz-txt-link-freetext" id="OWA3894bf42-c970-4113-04e2-f7c5b3291344" href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a></u></span>
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<span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">\ufeff</span><br>
Here are two mathematical series<br>
1,3,5,6,8,10.12, __<br>
1.3.4,6,8,9,10, __<br>
Both have the same next number.<br>
Why, and what are we talking about here?<br>
I predict that only Jon will guess the answer.<br>
Please dont trouble yourself with this if you have anything better to do.</p>
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