<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I was being very not-deferential to Szostak, in forwarding this, as was the person who forwarded it to me.<div><br></div><div>I don\u2019t think he has debunked anything. And I think that anybody who believes we are \u201cactually getting pretty close to having a coherent picture of how life actually started\u201d, from the specific few experiments they have to hand, is _way_ too self-congratulatory. (I will avoid saying the word \u201cdelusional\u201d in print. That is the response it triggers in me, even though in normal terms, I wouldn\u2019t say he is \u201cdelusional\u201d at all; he is just saying things that would only make sense for a delusional person to say.) We are so far from making any strong claims at a whole-narrative level, either positive or negative, that to not see that is a kind of category error of its own. The reason that is interesting is that, seeing it, one gets real about how many major transitions there were along the way for which nobody has yet said _anything_ insightful about why they were possible, what constituted them, and how it likely came about, or what qualifies as either a causal or circumstantial explanation for it. My opinion, of course, and I am (gratefully, mercifully) nobody, so I can just get back to work in the quiet.</div><div><br></div><div>In fairness, I also have to acknowledge that both having a Nobel prize, and giving public lectures, are highly adverse circumstances to forthright or balanced communication. So probably he shouldn\u2019t be blamed. </div><div><br></div><div>I am not bothered by the penultimate paragraph you quote. To me all these terms are scoped widely, and the application to one or another human instance is just that; an instance. The terms have long since moved past being mere metaphors to some classical antique usages. (I know you will never concede this point for any word, but I say it anyway.) Within their normal use in these kinds of sciences, what he is saying is so anodyne as to almost-inevitably be right under some reading of it.</div><div><br></div><div>But I am glad it is fun, and I don\u2019t mind knowing the facts they have found, and the system-pictures they can try to construct. Any of it could turn out to be useful at some point.</div><div><br></div><div>Eric</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 24, 2025, at 13:03, Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Actually, any continuity theory is ok by me, except perhaps life being imported from elsewhere, which is just punting. </div><div><br></div><div>This last paragraph did make me nervous. It seems to me that the one place where anthropomorphic or even biomorphic language should never occur is in discussions of the origins of life. And yet...</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin-left:40px"><font size="4"><i><span>Showing photos of volcanic vents at Yellowstone National Park,
Szostak said \u201clife at the beginning depended totally on its environment.
But as cells evolved, they learned more about their environment. That
information was encoded into their genome and it allowed them to survive
better and eventually colonize the whole surface of the planet.</span></i></font></p><p style="margin-left:40px"><font size="4"><i><span>\u201cI think we're actually getting pretty close to having a coherent picture of how life actually started.\u201d</span></i></font></p>
<br></div><div><br></div><div>But I grant you that this text is highly secondary. </div><div><br></div><div>Nick </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 22, 2025 at 1:26\u202fPM Santafe <<a href="mailto:desmith@santafe.edu">desmith@santafe.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Didn\u2019t you hear that Jack Szostak debunked that?<div><br></div><div><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fnews.cornell.edu%2fstories%2f2025%2f10%2fnobel-laureate-shares-research-exploring-origins-life&c=E,1,OqtjTyEETIgvsPen-tJ2cHATPfoaPtaoASzY8y5ykJUI6YPJic70O5AVW-nzu4VkzMbY0s1fX5zF3h0DqCi9YYSu73STGFXu41gWW0QN&typo=1" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:rgb(118,109,112);font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><span id="cid:ii_19a172843608e235c3e1"><2025_1365_ry_0147_n.jpg></span></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#766D70" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="table-layout:fixed;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(118,109,112)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden"><div style="font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fnews.cornell.edu%2fstories%2f2025%2f10%2fnobel-laureate-shares-research-exploring-origins-life&c=E,1,tr8zdgQFBdXsU2yEIr3MJKnrqvTwWaZUe5VdirRL2xvCJnysns0jXHNJWnygZzMdwyqQs-cSG8JB1eZ1tatexBTRHlBmm0Z1JHETKNvcJkjoPPKQWnWRJqswccvD&typo=1" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#FFFFFF" style="color:rgba(255,255,255,0.847)">Nobel laureate shares research exploring the origins of life | Cornell Chronicle</font></a></div><div style="font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fnews.cornell.edu%2fstories%2f2025%2f10%2fnobel-laureate-shares-research-exploring-origins-life&c=E,1,5zYO6rkr1k6RQE4RIwNgqgEnJGympQ529pV-WOEwVf1NPYs_mBqy1aq21txAKZuOALbcFkaTUgMOw36OFGy0MwXupdZKq3qdVGnD4wDEeTU9-RE,&typo=1" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#FFFFFF" style="color:rgba(255,255,255,0.55)">news.cornell.edu</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><br id="m_-2274109097898509425lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 22, 2025, at 12:31, Nicholas Thompson <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Thank you for pointing it out. We hear a lot of grousing on the list about PayWalls and </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">University privilege. If access has been keeping us from discussing the Origin of Life, here is our chance. I am a white smoker man, myself. And here, all these years, you thought I was a white non-smoker.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">N</span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Nick </span></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"></span></div><hr style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:718.328px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"></span><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Roger Critchlow <<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org" target="_blank">rec@elf.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2025 12:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Origins of life<span> </span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr">Hi Nick --</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr">I don't know, but it seems that the Royal Society has a lot of open access.</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr">-- rec --</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;direction:ltr">On Tue, Oct 21, 2025, 1:19\u202fPM Nicholas Thompson <<a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA0c0f8be8-646d-5a31-6210-b465d54f59f4" href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="direction:ltr">Wow, Roger. Thank you. It seems like ordinary mortals can actuall down load these. do you think there is some sort of time limit, so we should grab them now? Or will it be available forever.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">Nick</div><div><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 1:51\u202fPM Roger Critchlow <<a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA289e4d70-e581-1e5f-e408-a4dab75b75b5" href="mailto:rec@elf.org" target="_blank">rec@elf.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)"><div style="direction:ltr">Special issue at<span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA2f646ba5-d17f-0db2-5413-88441ae1f4c2" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2froyalsocietypublishing.org%2ftoc%2frstb%2f2025%2f380%2f1936&c=E,1,97ZvzwehlFulvDf4GVQKa81aPt8NCorpieQY_S1tH_kCXWez_03YR7f-6We0OtC6xF8rdz-3gPUlvIDEwlkZzfpA6Dp9a6ddGZoUQtjxrZeOTfM6pglsjWw,&typo=1" target="_blank">https://royalsocietypublishing.org/toc/rstb/2025/380/1936</a> via complexity digest.</div><div style="direction:ltr"><br></div><div style="direction:ltr">-- rec --</div><div>.- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-..<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom<span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA3ea06e7c-ff4e-0e27-80b2-0873a91a6de4" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fbit.ly%2fvirtualfriam&c=E,1,eOIS9JqwwmcY1Y2WuRQs_FSKtJPiMWCk42LEj_HuTA3kzEbbZYDrttZuvlKjO3xZjksmOQuQ212np_Hq_Z8nVdopHwSNwZfUBO3qZrVR5W9w76SeZQ,,&typo=1" target="_blank">https://bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>to (un)subscribe<span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWAdd3a75aa-b892-cdfa-fafc-2dfe8a33d62f" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,XXNbNkqJqTmyY2rNDElxGquREw5_xqzdCD1xvmTZUFrXDh8RcKM60vxpFMmmvO0WsYj9WeJKQdfDf3gTYdhrtELnTzxpTvcmbbKraO8ygBKpGbSrKTl1h8BatA,,&typo=1" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>FRIAM-COMIC<span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA122bfc1c-6e37-17ff-83c1-1c84978af48f" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,o1EseSLk9lQxGX2Ut-SMirXn6kFsrKMAhO1lE95biumxxhl3hryPgoFA7TqMdV4fcydmja-AsdW__hETce1gXtS5jy6zmhVhx41ZVNvtSBvrfOK7CDq-IESS&typo=1" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>archives: 5/2017 thru present<span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA05e7e5dd-4be9-9d3d-f9b0-555b53dd2aaa" href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,-Jn3b1RWceQLsEVEPS9F1YLs1NDUk0rj1NzglZifErb5V_7KJis2OFeWsxj0mWZP0WIY4Tik257Kw1S534Yg5bgnRMHD6ZqygkCxIiNPCg,,&typo=1" target="_blank">https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/</a><br> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 <span> </span><a id="m_-2274109097898509425OWA4a6db41b-b5f4-c685-a5a6-c3964ae4b743" href="http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/" target="_blank">http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/</a></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br>--</div><div style="direction:ltr">Nicholas S. 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</blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><br><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nicholas S. Thompson</div><div>Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology</div><div>Clark University</div><div><a href="mailto:nthompson@clarku.edu" target="_blank">nthompson@clarku.edu</a></div><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson&c=E,1,SB-6X66b8mSTbeqx1ICgho_T8iLl4rXxintHPonlHdpopLx-cGSZJ9jIUc1Ypz524DP2gXYY-b9Abl2K8Ns8QfU21Wm8ijXA5jJkjHjxJvsNAw,,&typo=1" target="_blank">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson</a></div></div>
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