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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I once wrote an ABM of the Swarm principals. (I undersold it at the time, it was a decent sketch of how to use the Java layer.) I bet Claude or GPT could read the whole FRIAM archive and build an ontology and a simulation. Calibrating it to the message rates (yeah, thinking of Europe and Australia too) and the personalities would take some work, but I bet it could be done. Each conspicuous person could be a LLM fine-tuned to FRIAM content. That would include people like Dave that insist that no such high-fidelity model is possible. Or there could be skill files to avoid coding. A few paragraphs on someone like Doug Roberts would be a no-brainer. Maybe the approach could be applied to family therapy too. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of jofr <jofr@cas-group.net><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 12, 2026 at 8:32\u202fAM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] What is FRIAM and is it still alive<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>A simple model is based on timezones. When I post something at 9 AM CET (or CEST) Central European Time, then I usually get no response before 5 PM when it it is 8 AM in California and 9 AM in Santa Fe. The posting times reflect where a person is physically located. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The rest is more or less unpredictable. Posts could be correlated to even more posts. Some kind of self-reinforcing bubble. It also reminds me of the famous El-Farol Bar Problem which predicts visitors for a bar. Does this bar still exist in Santa Fe? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Farol_Bar_problem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>In general it seems to be unpredictable. I posted for example less in recent weeks because my mail server provider from New York changed the settings and I had difficulties to access this email account I am using now. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Date: 8/12/26 5:05 PM (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What is FRIAM and is it still alive <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I was looking for a (null space) model of when and why a post occurs. Like why a person would reach for the remote and change the TV station. It may have nothing to do with the coherence or silliness of any particular programming. Like going out for a cup of coffee or a smoke.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of jofr <jofr@cas-group.net><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 12, 2026 at 7:58\u202fAM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] What is FRIAM and is it still alive</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>You mean a "credit model" depending on correspondence length and authorship time? GitHub has a statistics page for repositories which shows who has committed the most lines in what timeframe. And some open source frameworks like Ruby on Rails list their most active contributors https://contributors.rubyonrails.org<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ChatGPT says about you Marcus that you are the most active poster by a substantial margin. You win clearly in this category. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Nick and Glen are funnier according to ChatGPT though. ChatGPT is particularly fond of the Nick's post "All those who think Steve was wrong raise your hands" and Glen's post "<span style='color:black'>Say it again \u2026 Say it again in a different way \u2026 Again \u2026 Again, damnit!"</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>-------- Original message --------</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Date: 8/12/26 4:28 PM (GMT+01:00) </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What is FRIAM and is it still alive </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Correspondence length and apparent authorship time that follows the distribution of a compile/link cycle or system integration test suite execution duration?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of jofr@cas-group.net <jofr@cas-group.net><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 12, 2026 at 4:50\u202fAM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] What is FRIAM and is it still alive</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ChatGPT proposed these two laws:<br><br>FRIAM's First Law: We take difficult philosophical problems and worry <br>them to death until someone produces either a profound insight, a <br>completely insane hypothesis, or a phrase like "quantum woo".<br><br>FRIAM's Second Law: If a theory is suspiciously elegant, somebody on the <br>list will throw a shoe at it.<br><br>The reason I have asked ChatGPT and Gemini is I am writing a new <br>self-published book, and the first chapter is about FRIAM. Their <br>summaries are surprisingly good. I asked them to find funny anecdotes in <br>the FRIAM archives and they found a post from Nick that said "OK <br>friammers, All those who think Steve was wrong raise your hands" :-)<br><br>If you do NOT want to be mentioned in the chapter because it is too much <br>quantum woo for you then please let me know or raise your hand. 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