<div dir="ltr">vibe coding is as gamers used to say for l4m3rz: did ya' ebay yourself: subtle logic problems or even just not real coode with a tone of emoji's slips in. <div>_worse_is when its tokens or something happens it's not quite true hallucination, but pretty close, or just wrong. A minor example: I know a little about Kava. and depending chatgpt temperature rating the answers can be: sort of right. or just wrong and occasional dangerous. For example I'm almost 50 and that's about when it's a little dicy in the us to have kava without getting boring rambling:its because it inclue arial bits and leaves stuff that isn't all that great anyway and super hard on your liver. Well Sometimes chagpt says that is fine. (oops)That is a problem for coding. The code (to me) might look good: but Steve or Josh might look and be horrified at: anything from not well formatted to logic bombs or national obfuscation etc. that's why asking ChatGPT to code for you is bad. and it's called "vibecoding" </div><div>Just imagine me navely thinking i'm helping because I found a bug in cool_code_here. and I go oh hey I kind of reconise this problem then ask clause or grok etc. and--what happens if: to me, it looks like a reasonable patch or whatever: but to someone who actually Knows that programing language: it's just terrible. that's the huge problem with vibecoded stuff getting into the wild.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 4:26\u202fPM Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net">owen@backspaces.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I just did the same stunt with chatgpt. It's output was:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div><div><div><p>This site is a public web archive of the <strong>FRIAM email discussion list</strong>. It displays messages grouped into conversational threads, with links to older posts.</p><p>The community appears to be centered around Santa Fe and brings together people interested in science, technology, mathematics, philosophy, and complex systems. Recent discussions include:</p><ul><li>Artificial intelligence, cognitive offloading, semantic networks, and \u201cvibe coding\u201d</li><li>Software development, Linux, and technical troubleshooting</li><li>Mathematics and research, including solutions to \(A^4+B^4+C^4=D^4\)</li><li>Philosophy, agency, reasoning, and scientific criticism</li><li>Synthetic life, geology, archaeology, electric vehicles, and space exploration</li><li>Local Santa Fe meetups, especially gatherings at St. John\u2019s or nearby cafés</li><li>Community announcements, obituaries, shared articles, and informal conversation</li></ul><p>The tone is eclectic and conversational: serious technical or philosophical debate sits alongside local coordination, jokes, provocative subject lines, and requests for help. A relatively small group of recurring contributors produces much of the activity, often through long reply chains.</p><p>In short, it\u2019s less a conventional informational website than a browsable record of an active intellectual community\u2019s mailing-list conversations.</p></div><div><div></div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 3:41\u202fPM Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank">owen@backspaces.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I just looked at our archive here: </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0px"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/friam@redfish.com/index.html" target="_blank">https://www.mail-archive.com/friam@redfish.com/index.html</a></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I then used the chrome claude extension and asked a simple prompt:</div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">give me a summary of this site</div></div></blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It came up with:</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34)">This page is the Mail Archive's index for the </span><strong style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34)">FRIAM</strong><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> mailing list (</span><a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34)">), archived at <a href="http://mail-archive.com" target="_blank">mail-archive.com</a>.</span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolor;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p>FRIAM stands for "Friday Applications in Complexity," a long-running discussion group/mailing list associated with people connected to the Santa Fe Institute and Santa Fe, New Mexico complexity science community. The archive displays messages organized by thread, showing a chronological/threaded index of email conversations rather than any original content of its own.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p>Looking at the thread titles, the list is an informal, freewheeling discussion forum where members debate a wide mix of topics: philosophy of mind (e.g. "phil zombies," "group agency"), math puzzles (several threads on the equation A\u2074+B\u2074+C\u2074=D\u2074), AI and technology commentary ("vibe coding," "AI Slop," "cognitive offloading"), software/Linux questions, local Santa Fe meetup logistics (coffee shop and venue announcements like "St John's" or "New Santa Fe Baking"), obituaries and memorials for community members, and general banter among a recurring group of participants such as glen, Marcus Daniels, Steve Smith, Tom Johnson, Frank Wimberly, and others.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p>In short, it's a public email archive of a niche, long-running community mailing list mixing casual meetup coordination with intellectual discussion on complexity science, AI, math, and philosophy.</p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Kinda fun sicking AI on our past.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> -- Owen</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div aria-hidden="true"></div></div></div>
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