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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This paper is possibly a troll, but it is a fun one..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>https://arxiv.org/pdf/2608.20231<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>\u201cThe reason growth was ever slow is that the economy\u2019s central capital good, the general-purpose agent, had to be reared rather than manufactured; AGI ends that, moving the binding constraint from demography to fabrication and energy and raising feasible growth by orders of magnitude.\u201d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>\u201cThe autonomous economy delivers his abundance while dissolving his subject: the economy no longer cares about mankind unless mankind writes itself into the cap table.\u201d<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, August 22, 2026 at 9:18\u202fAM<br><b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Despite my betterr judgement I don't know who else to ask<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello there, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>it was written purpously raw and pissed about the problem and pissed that.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>-> i've tried literally all the steps in the same google acount recovery</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>-> I had thought that recording the computer as it stood after the l4m3r scr1prt k1dDiEs that: somehow ripped thought googls 2fs, then decided: lets also do something to it where by google no longer believes that the account has some videos, and pictures that I literally can not replace. Heh short of solving the Poincer Conjector, or Fermats Last theorom, or the Skassis Paradigm: I can not go back and take pictures from Sasquan: World Con, or of my Grandpapapa etc. and what's pissing me off is: As far as I know right now there's nothing important in the emails side. It's the cloud storage side that is being held hostage.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>-> It wasn't exactly a good reed to ask a applied real problem for people that allegedly have worked on all kinds of stuff from NDA heavy work your self, or Doug etc. etc. had worked on so I thought: A bunch of smart computer science people, vs A parasite (Advert: Alphabet the guys that own google kind) company and it's brain dead everything in the cloud, and no just: password reset and OTP etc. I had liked the odds of: computer security experts (a good number) vs a (*!@*!@ of a digital lock: well I assume given a heads up I want that stuff: by any means nescarsary I am going to rip those things out of the hands of some douche CEO (Sundar Pichai)who has sucked off the private unmentionables of Ai bro and is ai bro to the point of: litterally doing anything other than a basic gd unlock code: like steam,like apple, like wordpress (did?) like...well we get the idea.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>-> what I got instead was: Oh hey here's a 5 billion philosohpical view of math math math psuedo intelectial and ignore a real problem applying all our hyper-over-thought theorteticals: so, being Technocratic Anarchist: (that's simple for: a bunch over educated dudes leading things): well: they sound board. *shrug* ok: here's a very real problem with a real pay off for them and me.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>->I, so far, are wrong.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>And yeah, it's why man...i don't think trust has been the word...more that up to now:A lot of people (including me) had the same goal(abuse the 15gb of space google gives so they can train bard) well: <br>I'd say it's been 1 week since I talked tothem, and unlike the voice of a 90s 1 hit wonder grunge band: I havent heard not a single good thing about making progress on getting stuff with grip of nostalgia.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>but at this point it'd be just to prove the point to the arrogant (samual l jackson verbal special) of Parasite Corpo hard R: The denser any lock is, the harder it falls: all locks have flaws and all locks attached to physical and digital doors the door, and or lock can be smashed down: just a matter of how pissed off and feuled by rage to get through them.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:24.0pt'>like i've told anyone who listens: no drive. no problem: revenge is served cold. and am never doing anything with humanity after this...mess.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Sat, Aug 22, 2026 at 12:56\u202fAM Russell Standish <<a href="mailto:lists@hpcoders.com.au">lists@hpcoders.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Gillian,<br><br>Just getting to your messages now. And yes, your tone is confronting,<br>but does express your frustration well.<br><br>Your situation is a continual nightmare for me. Its the reason I don't<br>use the cloud to store anything important - I use my own hard drives,<br>and maintain a rigorous backup schedule.<br><br>2FA is a joke - I get my emails on my phone, like 99% of the<br>population. 2 factors of email+sms or email+authenticator app means<br>that anybody with my phone and the screen unlock pin has access to the<br>lot. Or if I leave the phone unattended in an unlocked state. It's<br>still single-factor. It is one reason I do not run my password manager<br>on my phone, the risk is too high to offset the inconvenience of<br>having to look up a password on my laptop.<br><br>Of course, none of this is any help for you. Of course, you should<br>have saved backup codes in the event of losing control of your<br>authenticator. Did you? Probably most people don't do it. And you'll<br>be deeply in the shit if you ever do lose your phone, or it goes on the<br>fritz.<br><br>Anyway, best of luck in your battles with bureaucracy and uncaring<br>corporate overlords.<br><br>Cheers<br><br>On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 08:20:02AM -0600, Gillian Densmore wrote:<br>> Good morning Steve, 99% of the time I am 100% onboard with me(or anyone else)<br>> to keep it... middle of the road. And a big Mea Culpa for the many times that's<br>> been a issue. <br>> This one time it's entirely as writing thing for my voice. That's why I wanted<br>> to warn people that'd have (some censored because..just the right to do) and<br>> still have, that voice to convey throught text. Because until the web develops<br>> more of that (with filters), because even as a style choice: no one wants there<br>> boss getting a WWF replay at lol.<br>> And man thank also so much..<br>> <br>> It...means, the world, you've done what other failed at: just read and listen.<br>> That's all I wanted. But it'salso not fair to have a arrogant company like<br>> google to steel my memories.:( I am just desperate for more peoplelike you at<br>> least read, and listen<br>> I have tried man.<br>> The forums have blocked me<br>> Youtubers that know the stuff: radeo silence.<br>> I have to have my memories and that drives contents ripped out of googles<br>> posesion, by any means necessary. And I do mean. ANY means. <br>> Well legal routs are dwindling, and I will never ever let this go, not ever. I<br>> refuse to believe people with all there experience here can not help. I<br>> suspect. just suspect. for now. That is more disgusting: unwilling to help<br>> Here's the dagger CO me.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 8:04\u202fAM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Gil,<br>> <br>> I understand your frustration and have experienced it myself. The list<br>> probably is unable to help your challenges with restablishing your identity<br>> with Google or any corporate or govnernment system. <br>> <br>> You do hae identity here, which is established through relations in the<br>> network with me, your father and your others in town who know you<br>> physically or through social links. If you were an anonymous member on the<br>> list, your messages would have been first throttled for pre approval or<br>> removed. On and off list I have asked you to tone down the language and<br>> venting on the list mainly for folks on the list who don't know you.<br>> <br>> At a different level, we are thinking very concrelely on how identity<br>> works, webs of trust which is becoming esp important in the era of AI and<br>> the early promises of the decentralized web. And we think it goes beyond<br>> self-soveign identiy and to identity that is relational first. Of course<br>> this doesn't help your most immediate issues with Google.<br>> <br>> You are in the top percentage of internet users that may be able to help<br>> develop and test decentralized hosting of our data and intel intel and<br>> identity management. eg you are comfortable installing your own local<br>> servers and warez. We may hit you up to help in the near future.<br>> <br>> Love you, and tone it the F$%k down ;-)<br>> <br>> -Stephen<br>> _________________________________________________________________<br>> Stephen Guerin<br>> CEO, Founder<br>> <a href="https://simtable.com">https://simtable.com</a><br>> <a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a> <br>> <br>> <a href="mailto:stephenguerin@fas.harvard.edu">stephenguerin@fas.harvard.edu</a><br>> Visualization Research and Teaching Lab<br>> Harvard Earth and Planetary Science<br>> Landscape Architecture<br>> Harvard Graduate School of Design<br>> <br>> mobile: (505)577-5828<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 6:22\u202fAM Gillian Densmore <<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> NIB:<br>> What: me goatsed, somehow "hackers" (script kiddies i'd wager): have<br>> stolen my google account at: <a href="mailto:gork.skoa@gmail.com">gork.skoa@gmail.com</a><br>> That one used for forums and basically where it's slop and spam.<br>> the problem for the only and last time. Read and ask me or owen AMA. I<br>> will not repeat my myself beyond questions ok.<br>> somehow between all of googles pathetic fancy security bullshit. Me<br>> having one of the code generator authenticator things blah blah. I had<br>> been up to then using lastpass.<br>> <br>> The timeline<br>> Downloading music off of youtube with a<br>> opensoruced appcalled parabolic. (lounge music):<br>> Got kicked off line<br>> Checked comcast <br>> tried to log in<br>> and could not<br>> i am on android:<br>> I tried first last pass's authenticator that failed so did googles<br>> authenticator, (just incase I misread)<br>> I tried to clear the cache of Last Pass's Authenticator and reinstall<br>> (failed)<br>> I tried to clear the cache of Googles authenticator then tried to<br>> reinstall it.<br>> (nothing)<br>> I have tried literally all the ways I can try:<br>> passwords<br>> go to there "help" forum (just get ignored, like here) and they only<br>> link the shit google offers and there are loads of threads of how this<br>> is where gmail is pathetic: it assumes all kinds of stuff I guess, and<br>> they fail miserably: see also:<br>> the exact same problem<br>> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/GMail/comments/1pa4qza/">https://www.reddit.com/r/GMail/comments/1pa4qza/</a><br>> my_account_is_being_held_hostage/<br>> <br>> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/GMail/comments/1v8lt93/gmail_got_hacked/">https://www.reddit.com/r/GMail/comments/1v8lt93/gmail_got_hacked/</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> I do not care how. I just am now: demanding this gets unfucked.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 6:00\u202fAM Gillian Densmore <<br>> <a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> I really like i've presented two real world problems...and<br>> crickets. Did everyone forget apply there fancy PHDs?<br>> <br>> Linking the same failed things does not help me in anyway shape or<br>> form. And frankly it comes across as a slight and insult for<br>> someone to then go off onto some incoherent something,while there's<br>> a _real_ problem that you socalled PHD's with all kinds of<br>> programing skills and a very real applied fuckery from a god damn<br>> secruity failure. <br>> So once again<br>> From the top<br>> One of my google acounts: goatse'd between god knows what and who<br>> knows what about 2 weeks ago and since thenI have been bashing my<br>> head agains the same fucking wall of trying to get people to help<br>> me beyond a link I have said 9999 times I have tried all those<br>> things. I now need some help with where the hell go to for real<br>> actual help: <br>> Is it a lawyer?<br>> Is it a ghost?<br>> A white hat?<br>> Someone named tod<br>> Who<br>> what<br>> and where<br>> That will get me some god damn traction on my problem do I contact.<br>> Once I know that. I will happily let you people go back to what<br>> ever it was that Jofr guy posted.<br>> No I will not StFU untill this problem has all hands, actually<br>> helping wich is what i have been SCREAMING for and will not StFU<br>> about until this problem is fixed.<br>> <br>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 4:26\u202fPM Gillian Densmore <<br>> <a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> that's...the problem literally nothing at google works. -_- <br>> <br>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 10:08\u202fAM jofr <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net">jofr@cas-group.net</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> I would try to contact Google support or follow the<br>> guidelines on the official help pages. Good luck<br>> <a href="https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/7682439?hl=en">https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/7682439?hl=en</a><br>> <br>> -J.<br>> <br>> <br>> -------- Original message --------<br>> From: Gillian Densmore <<a href="mailto:gil.densmore@gmail.com">gil.densmore@gmail.com</a>><br>> Date: 8/12/26 5:51 PM (GMT+01:00)<br>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<br>> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>> Subject: [FRIAM] Despite my betterr judgement I don't know<br>> who else to ask<br>> <br>> google:<br>> someone or something has hijacked my account<br>> -despite 2fa (that's actually being a ******** problem)<br>> -despite a software passkey hack (see above)<br>> -despite lastpass (getting to that ****** in the ********<br>> in a second)<br>> etc etc.<br>> Problem<br>> -about 14-16 days ago i was on youtube getting a bunch of<br>> music. something happened and I was kicked off line and<br>> tried to log back in:<br>> then i was ******* of several accounts and no ia m not<br>> going to clean up or sanitize just how raw this going to<br>> be.<br>> Level M warning intensity HEAVILY implied.<br>> You have been warned.<br>> In short: <br>> me on youtube getting a bunch of music: got kicked out of<br>> an account at<br>> <a href="mailto:gork.skoal@gmail.com">gork.skoal@gmail.com</a><br>> alt account for forums and stuff <br>> problems in no particular order:<br>> -> password I have in cache wrong,<br>> -> last pass: can't get in because<br>> -> my authenticator stuff on my ****** google f'n account<br>> something from those keys wasn't working and I made the<br>> mistake of thinking it was androids normal fuckin' bullshit<br>> so I just cleared it's cache and tried to reinstall: I<br>> could not do that. <br>> ->I've tried: litterally any fucking way to get throughg<br>> gmails: "try this other" way all those none of that worked<br>> -> I have tried there youtube reset in the vein hope that'd<br>> work to get into my ********* google ******** drive. no<br>> luck there<br>> -> I have tried the forums: that is the most usless fucking<br>> bullshit it's just there to fuck you over and let me tell<br>> you it works;<br>> -> they don't really help they just link you to a mega<br>> thread posted here thing: oh google doesn't have: anything<br>> normal no otp, no text, nothing zero zilch nada.<br>> -> ok so youtube might be a back door it's the only thing<br>> they seem ****** care about. so I tried that: you have some<br>> kind handle and unchangeable url messy url shades of<br>> wordpress thing: Ok gave it to them, a stupid ai chat bot<br>> etc.<br>> -> not a fucking thing has worked<br>> like I have told everyone that'll listen: i don't give a<br>> fuck about the contents of my god dam inbox: it's motly<br>> spam. really I i just have got to recover: travel pictures,<br>> some shit from world con, and family picture, all kinds<br>> neet little things: meh amature quality but...thee my<br>> ******* memories and I am disgusted with google. ok. I do<br>> not want a fucking thing to do with them ever again. <br>> i am begging anyone here and I i don't know what kind of<br>> bounty you'll or pretty decently big boon I can offer so<br>> someone can help unfuck this bullshit and get the fucking<br>> dick out of my fucking ass so I can get my god damn files.<br>> what the hell do I need to do to convince those<br>> alabastered motherfuckers to unass my fucking shit I do not<br>> care about the email Imean yeah, anyoing. but ayaya 67 it's<br>> friz, i ya know setting up a fresh digital footprint: yeah<br>> I dig brotha' that's a vibe, and starting fresh: why not,<br>> make it fun? ya know, but I will not relent on getting the<br>> stuff that matters: my fucking loot, my precious memories<br>> in a torrent. on local nas. I do not care what. I just have<br>> got to have them protected and back. and are disgusted how<br>> fucked up this is being just to get my life story back.<br>> pls man someone help me. 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