[FRIAM] What should we do?

[Marcus Daniels]

Jochen write:


"Unfortunately the cancer of fascism (Trumpism?) has already broke out in the US now, the only way to stop the cancer of Nazism in Nazi Germany was to destroy the whole country by "surgery" and bombardment. Good luck."


I was thinking of knocking down statutes one at a time in the Supreme Court, rather than knocking down individual people like through impeachment.   In the space of ideas rather the space of people.   Nonetheless, it is useful to work through all the options, even if some of them have to be disqualified.


But I must admit that as an Oregonian (originally) I was hoping for a swarm of helicopters or an F-16 to come into Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to make an instructive example of how not to act.  (In the end it was handled reasonably well by the FBI.  The prosecution of the criminals, not so much.)


"Chemotherapy means killing the fast replicating cells, this would perhaps roughly correspond to closing mosques of extremists und churches of aggressive sects (since they are the stem cells of cultural cancer). Or to prohibit all organizations like alt-right which grow extremely fast."


Here I was thinking of removing tax deductions for having children, giving incentives for kids in rural parts of country to not to not put down roots and instead to move to more productive parts of the country as needed.   (Incidentally, this one reason I think why a voucher system for school might not be all bad -- get the kids the hell out of there before their minds start to rot.  It would just have to disqualify things like home schooling and religious schools.)  This is from the pessimistic point of view that, given the electoral college, it could take decades to for backward voting blocs in the United States to become completely marginalized.   So, rather,  slowing the rate of reproduction and breaking up tumors before they form.


Marcus

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:55:11 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What should we do?

Interesting. Unfortunately the cancer of fascism (Trumpism?) has already broke out in the US now, the only way to stop the cancer of Nazism in Nazi Germany was to destroy the whole country by "surgery" and bombardment. Good luck.

Chemotherapy means killing the fast replicating cells, this would perhaps roughly correspond to closing mosques of extremists und churches of aggressive sects (since they are the stem cells of cultural cancer). Or to prohibit all organizations like alt-right which grow extremely fast.

-Jochen


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From: Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
Date: 1/5/17 20:18 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] What should we do?

“The early stages of this make me think of cancers.  The reason they are so difficult to deal with is that, for the most part, the cell populations are not completely disintegrated and non-functional.  Most of their systems still function very robustly, which seems to be the cause of different cancers' seemingly producing quite robust phenotypes, even after the putative triggering problem has been knocked out.  Those systems have just been re-directed by control signals of the wrong kind.”

I know you hate abuse of metaphors, but you started it!

Cytotoxic compounds:   Remove tax deductions for dependents?  How does that happen with a conservative government?

Surgery or Radiation:   Litigation (ACLU, EFF, SPLC, etc.).   Other things but keeping in mind Gandhi’s leadership.

Immunotherapy:  Taking back state legislatures.   Fire people up at the local level.

Gene therapy:  Education, propaganda.

Hormone therapy:  Take away the money and red meat.   Work behind the scenes.  Get people at risk out of harm’s way.   Refocus on work and investments decoupled from government.

Small-molecule drugs and monoclonal antibodies:   Tease apart the constituencies and identify risks from some of them, e.g. tag the alt-right as Nazis and dangerous.   Divide and conquer.

Controlling signaling / stopping transport:  Stopping fake news
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