[FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

Wed Jan 11 11:34:56 EST 2017

Carter -

I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion.

    /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should
    address these questions directly. Taking a determinist
    consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We
    should blame and stigmatize people for conditions where blame and
    stigma are the most useful methods for curing or preventing the
    condition, and we should allow patients to seek treatment whenever
    it is available and effective.
    /

Unfortunately It would appear that blame and stigma are not effective 
with our president elect who is a brand, who is an empire, who is an 
icon of narcissistic abuse of others.  I would also appear that he would 
not accept, much less seek treatment.  I believe this is what makes him 
"Teflon"... his complete denial (or unawareness) of there being a 
problem.   "The right way, the wrong way, the Trump way" prevails.  Our 
new "Narcissist in Chief" is about to take his throne, and as long as he 
has many subjects to worship him, he will remain there.

While "the Donald" IS the imminent delivery mechanism of our 
(potentially devastating) undoing,  it is his myriad supporters from 
many (expected and not) walks of life who might need treatment or 
stigmatization.   The "elites" and "bleeding heart liberals"  would be 
the ones under equal scrutiny about now, had "the Hillary" squeeked into 
office he way the Donald did.

I believe we are a nation (world) at risk of collapsing under our own 
Neuroses.  I offer the Buddhist concept that we all see the world as we 
choose to, roughly in one of the four categories: "World as 
Battleground;  World as Trap;  World as Lover; World as Self".   I have 
aligned myself modestly with the "elites and bleeding hearts" to the 
extent that they tend to choose the latter 2 over the former and avoid 
the "self righteous right" and "knee jerk conservatives" for *their 
propensity* to frame everything as Battleground and Trap.  My support of 
Hillary and Obama broke down where they lapsed too far into 
Battleground/Trap.

I hope that the "Million Woman March" coming up carries more of the 
Lover/Self than the Battleground/Trap.  Women (and many others) have 
good reason to see the Trump Ascendency as a Trap and a Call to Arms, 
but I believe confrontation alone only propagates the problem.

After a bad trauma, radical debridement or cauterization, even 
amputation are often called for.  Ultimately it is the wound/surgery 
aftercare and systemic support that returns the patient to vital 
health.   The "make America Great Again" crowd do not nurture nor 
support, it just isn't in their kit.  The nurturers of our culture need 
to remain ready to do what we do as the self-limiting (but possibly 
huge) damage comes to it's logical conclusion.

Carry On,
  - Steve
>
> http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/
>
> Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him?
>
> On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" <jofr at cas-group.net 
> <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net>> wrote:
>
>     I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists
>     here you might be interested too?
>
>     Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to
>     be fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not
>     only become a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
>     1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality
>     disorder
>     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>     <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html>
>
>     2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive
>     Internet troll
>     https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump
>     <https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/201701/unified-theory-trump>
>
>     3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
>     http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>     <http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/>
>
>     All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to
>     be fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a
>     clear need for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him,
>     which is obviously some form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly
>     more than a self-serving bias, and such a deep personality
>     disorder is not harmless at all.
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias>
>
>     The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings
>     now, as the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US
>     has about 2000 nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a
>     soldier with the nuclear football following the president at all
>     times. What could go wrong?
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football>
>
>     -Jochen
>
>
>
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