[FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"

[Merle Lefkoff]

Nick, the quantum physicists that I worked with during my four years at
CNLS were very much also philosophers.  I think it kept them reasonably
sane.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Nick Thompson <nickthompson at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Marcus,
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> To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum
> mechanics.  I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside
> experience is nonsense but I don’t see how QM gets you there.  Peirce held
> that all “objective” observation consist of guesses at what we all, the
> community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the
> very long run.  So it’s all experience, all the way down, except that
> “reality” is a sort of future experience.  No dualism allowed.
>
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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>
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> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus
> Daniels
> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
>
>
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> "Experiment after experiment has shown—defying common sense—that if we
> assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective,
> observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central
> lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out
> there in some preexisting space."
>
> For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent
> observers and not part of the physics they measure.   If they can give that
> up, then things make more sense.
>
> Marcus
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> *Sent:* Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality"
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>
>
> This resonates with various Framework discussions.  I think it's an area
> of interest to Nick.
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> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-
> illusion-of-reality/479559/?utm_source=atlfb
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> Frank Wimberly
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
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Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding
Saint Paul University
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