[FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

[Marcus Daniels]

An invocation of superdeterminism would be in a double slit experiment that the particles are imagined to be synchronized in a deterministic fashion with the measurements (whether human or machine) who had to measure exactly when they did.  An inevitable consequence 13 billion years later.   The randomness of a radioactive decay or a pseudo-number random number generator is all the same sort of thing.   Want a different universe?   Change your random seed and replay..

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
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Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 6:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A Question For Tomorrow

Tell me if I am wrong.  When we read Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity by John Baez I had the impression that wormholes were mathematical fictions.  Is hyperdeterminism some form of the idea that if you knew the position and momentum of every particle in the universe you could calculate the trajectory thereof for all time.

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 6:33 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com<mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
I was just throwing out two, the wormhole idea of Maldacena & Susskind and super-determinism described by Hooft.    They seem very different to me, and could imply two very different universes.   That QM works for either doesn't help explain how one or the other or neither is the true explanation.

On 4/30/19, 6:02 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com<mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:

    Yes, I understand your skepticism. I even share it. But nothing you've said validates the dichotomy you laid out before. The wizard's spell sense you get from entanglement across 3 meters of space is a reflection of how you (yes, and most of us) model the world. Even if it's only like 5/7e9 people that have any intuition of how the other model(s) work(s), it's still not zero. And I suspect it's more than 5.

    A pedestrian example is in how/why/what the kids love about Instagram and hate about Facebook ... or can listen to that gawdawful music they listen to. They're developing intuitions us old farts will never have. What's to say it won't also happen with QM effects? E.g. we're already (fairly) comfortable with the way transistors work, even if most of the modeling language in which they're used is classical. The distinction between the circuits-level language of use versus the underlying quantum properties of materials level language of transistor construction (again riffing off Eric's point) isn't near as crisp as it once was.

    That optimism does rely on a progressive society, though ... which looks unlikely at this point.

    On 4/30/19 4:34 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
    > There are more people that catch fly balls than develop theories of physical information.   I don't believe a well-funded liberal culture will change that.   Maybe in a hundred or a thousand years if we are a reconfigurable species, a large part of the population will spend their days experiencing and manipulating physical phenomenon as first class thing using an extended nervous system.  But as it is, the inputs are from a narrow range of temperatures & pressures and a tiny window of electromagnetic radiation.   And cognitively, the short term workspace of a human is small and slow compared to even a simple computer.

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