[FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives

[Nick Thompson]

Marcus, 

Well, if nothing is real, then dreams aren't real either, right.  So, that's a non-starter.  I don't think I am being absurd, but that's for others to judge.  I assume my brain does rem sleep like everybody else's, but one sure as hell can minimize or maximize the experience of dreaming.  I know people who build their lives around dreaming, wake themselves up at night to write down their dreams, etc., etc.  They have a lot more experience of dreaming than I do.  

By the way:  how can a dichotomy be false?  I can see that it might be "narrowly useful" or "not useful for the following purposes <please state>".  But False.  What means "false" in this context?  

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/


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From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Was: Abduction; Is Now: Dionysian and Apollonian Lives

It's a false dichotomy.  An Apollonian can recognize that he or she needs food, just as well as they could recognize they need intellectual or spiritual sustenance.  And of course your brain will do the dreaming that is needed to keep you alive, even if you don't know about it or recognize its value.   I guess you are just being absurd?    

Did you ever see the movie Strange Days?    Why should I jump out of an airplane if I could just pump the same signals into my brain?   There's nothing real, after all.

Marcus    

On 1/2/19, 10:19 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:

    Yeah.  See.  That's just the point.  About 20 years ago, I decided that dreaming was a waste of time and I wouldn't do it anymore.  So I don't.   
    
    Dionysians and Apollonians are very different people. 
    
    Nick 
    
    Nicholas S. Thompson
    Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
    Clark University
    http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Friam [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
    Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 10:08 AM
    To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
    Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction
    
    There's also this thing one can do called `sleeping in', which tends to increase the probability of dream memory and/or lucid dreaming, at least for me.  A built-in neuroplasticity mechanism complete with psychedelic phenomena and a safety mechanism of motor system deactivation. (
    
    On 1/2/19, 10:03 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of nickthompson at earthlink.net> wrote:
    
        For instance, I have never dreamed about what mushrooms might do for me.  Is that a fair statement of a difference between us?
    
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