[FRIAM] Abduction
Marcus Daniels
marcus at snoutfarm.com
Thu Jan 3 18:46:00 EST 2019
"There has been a growing interest in business management with regard organizational structures that can be rapidly reorganized in response to change and the demand for innovation. The term most often encountered in this regard is "wirearchy" — essentially a large dynamic network where connections (e.g. client -server, leader-follower, decision maker-decision implementer) among nodes shift and different nodes are more or less connected vis-a-vis other nodes over time. An interesting corollary of this kind of organization is that the majority of the "system intelligence" is shifted to the edge-node mandating empowered employees."
client-server, leader-follower, and decision maker-decision implementer are hierarchical control words. Otherwise there can be frustration situations where different bosses give contradictory guidance to the same employee. There cannot be insubordination in this kind of structure.
Marcus
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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 3:40:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Abduction
Nick,
Before the conversation forks towards duality, a minor comment about heterarchy in a human organizational context.
Hunter-gatherer tribes were organized as heterarchies: egalitarian with no formal, persistent organization. Instead organization, including leadership, ranking, and roles was situational. A structure emerged in response to environmental stimuli: e.g. 1) a bumper crop of pinon, then A was in charge, men assumed portions of "women's work" and women organized, usually by age and agility, into teams that maximized ability to harvest; or 2) encroaching tribe bent on stealing pinon, B is in charge, men grab their arrows and spears, women form second line of defense with younger women surrounding older ones.
There has been a growing interest in business management with regard organizational structures that can be rapidly reorganized in response to change and the demand for innovation. The term most often encountered in this regard is "wirearchy" — essentially a large dynamic network where connections (e.g. client -server, leader-follower, decision maker-decision implementer) among nodes shift and different nodes are more or less connected vis-a-vis other nodes over time. An interesting corollary of this kind of organization is that the majority of the "system intelligence" is shifted to the edge-node mandating empowered employees.
davew
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, at 2:14 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:
> I just gave you an example. But it's weird because nobody ever responds
> to my mentions of eyeball saccade. You also didn't respond to my scalar
> multiplied by a matrix analogy (an analogy because I was talking about
> comprehensions, which matrices are not, technically). So, rather than
> give you more examples, I'll treat you like an atheist treats
> Christians. What sort of example would make sense to you?
>
> I have no idea why you used the word "duality". The ways of organizing
> things (heter- vs. hier-) would only produce a duality if the different
> ways of organizing were *functionally* equivalent. My attempt to change
> language from "level" to either "layer" or "order" is an implicit
> assertion that heterarchies are functionally *different* from
> hierarchies. (To be more specific, hierarchical systems are less
> expressive.) So, a duality might be achievable between 2 differently
> arranged heterarchies, but not between a hier- and a heter-.
>
> By choosing 2 things of (we assume) the exact same type like Siamese
> twins, you provide a set that probably does not require a heterarchy to
> organize. Fraternal twins would be a better choice because while they
> are both of the same kinship, their *genes* differ significantly. Genes
> are of a lower/quicker order than kinship. But typical understanding of
> kinship operates over BOTH the high level (who's your daddy) and low
> level (what color eyes does your daddy have). While you *can* construct
> a hierarchy to handle that situation. There may be some situations
> (e.g. recessive genes, step-parents, etc.) that the hierarchy can't
> express but the heterarchy can.
>
> Note that "order" doesn't technically require heterarchy, either,
> really. Technically, an ordering like we have in 1st to 2nd order logic
> is still a hierarchy, just with mixed operators. You'd only *need* a
> heterarchy when there are external (to a given hierarchy) objects/
> relations that need to be accounted for. But I suggest the social
> kinship, biological kinship, and genotype system does approach that
> need, where even if you can formulate the social as a hierarchy and the
> biological as a hierarchy, the mixing of the two different hierarchies
> requires a heterarchy.
>
> I hope this is not a conversation stopper. That's not my intent. But
> based on my failures, here, I'm clearly very bad at this.
>
>
> On 1/3/19 12:38 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> > Ok. Good. I like this. Stick with me here.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keeping your language as citizen-y as possible, please talk to me about "heterarchy". Being of great age, I learned the song, I'm my own GrandPa <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw> in my youth. I assume that’s an example of heterarchy. But I bet you have better examples. But perhaps even more important, where does the concept stand in your approach to things? I stipulate that every duality asserted is like Siamese twins separated. A lot of blood is inevitably spilled. But no thought can possibly be achieved without that sort of blood-letting. I think I am going to argue that to the extent that the idea of heterarchy might give one a better way to separate the babies it should be entertained; but if it is a way of stopping the conversation how best the babies might be separated, then it should not.
>
>
> --
> ☣ uǝlƃ
>
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