[FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman, anonymity, etc.

[Gillian Densmore]

Re: Wich Subject  being a bit over thunk
It was starting to look like 4Chan, Anyonymous and Anyonimity was. So me
being me in a sassy just thought it'd be worth saying something mostly to
rib that tendancy. But also to say uh you guys while smart look to be over
thinking this one a lot.
It's neet to see 4Chan as a rough template for thing though.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:44 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
wrote:

> < Carry on with what looks to be over thinking a simple topic though. >
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> There are seven topics named in the subject line alone.  And that’s before
> unfurling even one of them.
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> (As much as I hate to argue for Glen’s position.)
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> Marcus
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Gillian Densmore <
> gil.densmore at gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Date: *Monday, January 28, 2019 at 10:30 PM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Modeling 4chan: roles, topics, beliefs, strawman,
> anonymity, etc.
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> Sigh...their are a bunch of things about this thread...I just can'tness
> 4Chan started as a buliten board a long time ago- as far as I know it's
> mostly Anonymous talk for the collectives: PhpSec and Anoynouse for sure.
> I think the other factions got booted off around 2012 or so for being to
> extreme even by their standards. LolSec for example had threatend peoples
> lifes wich while some in computer underground culture might think it'd be a
> good idea to beet the asterix star collon semi collon out of people..they
> were willing at one point to go their and got thrown out.
>
> Since then Anonymouse has (infamously ) grown from basically small
> interuptions to bring attention to social problems where the powers that
> be...litterally all over the world were ignoring.
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> As of late 2017(?) or so when one of their top guys was assisnitated in
> france durring the Charlie Hepo (parden me that I haven't a clue how to
> spell in french) they've to sometime around 2018 taken on larger and larger
> targets. I think they took on ISIS(that one) ...
>
> Point being 4Chan isn't all that complicated.
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> Carry on with what looks to be over thinking a simple topic though.
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> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 5:45 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
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> I think generative learning (e.g. for deep fake videos) could capture
> Hendrix or Page.   Studying the deviations from the likely governing
> equations could be interesting (and probably could be quantified) but it
> also just could be some idiosyncratic bit of developmental history that
> means nothing.   With governance, I want to get some evidence of the rough
> features of where they stand and how they are likely to act.   I don't see
> it as relevant how they interact with their friends or their children
> because I am not looking for a friend or a parent.   In technical
> conversations, I don't see it as necessary to pre-approve or seek
> pre-approval to segue from topic to topic -- to know the discussants role.
>
> On 1/28/19, 4:04 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" <
> friam-bounces at redfish.com on behalf of gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hm. As shallow as I think Trump is, or as much as I think Warren is a
> gaming politician, I don't think any of it is (merely) a distraction.  I'm
> rather fond of the concept of code switching (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-switching) and it's extrapolation into
> other domains (e.g. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/).  It would
> be a stretch to believe in the Freudian Slip.  But such things do have
> meaning and can help understand deeper layerings of messages.
>
>     This is one of the reasons I'm saddened by the category of things that
> includes instant replay refereeing, hyper-realistic animated movies, deep
> fake videos, technically perfect guitar playing, etc.  The very reasons I
> like Jimi Hendrix and Jimmy Page better than Joe Satriani (or even Stevie
> Ray Vaughn) are those little *errors* where the implementation doesn't
> quite match whatever "governing equations" you might infer they're trying
> to implement.  The kerfuffle about the Saints' loss is a symptom of our
> being poised between the real and the fake.
>
>     And to deny our political transition from newspaper/radio into TV,
> where any candidate must be somewhat telegenic would miss the social
> impacts of technology on politics (and every other social aspect of our
> lives).
>
>     So, these are not distractions, at all.  I'd claim they are indicators
> for deeper messages, waiting to be interpreted.
>
>     On 1/28/19 1:57 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>     > Or they can just be a distraction, like Elizabeth Warren showing
> that she drinks beer.   If the actor creates a rich dictionary to bind the
> symbols of the story to, then that can add value.    Other actors like
> Donald Trump only have the performance art, and no actual story.
>
>
>     --
>     ☣ uǝlƃ
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