[FRIAM] narcissism

[Frank Wimberly]

Trump clearly gets frustrated by that very thing.  I know, "So what?"

By the way, regarding the subtypes of narcissism: They are distinguished by
severity of symptoms rather than differences in the basic dynamic, which
are the same.

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 12:11 PM uǝlƃ ☣ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just FYI, you *forced* me to take another stupid personality test... I
> couldn't resist the link on that blog entry. It says I'm a good match for
> either INFP or INTP. At first, I was going to say there's no way in hell
> anyone would ever call me a "healer". But, then again, I got my first copy
> of the DSM (IV) from a therapist who worked mostly with the Hopi after
> discussing how I might use the DSM entries as the "genetic material" to
> build artificial personalities. He commented that that exercise was "good
> medicine". But, no. I reject INFP. Pffft.
>
> I'm strongly attracted to the idea that presentation of enough narcissism
> to end up diagnosed with NPD would involve oscillation between grandiocity
> and vulnerability. I would push back against the word "oscillation" because
> that implies periodicity and an insensitivity to context. So interactive
> *modes* would be better. The Schröder-Abé and Fatfouta article makes an
> interesting distinction between shame and guilt:
>
> "Both include a negative evaluation, yet a key distinction lies in the
> differential involvement of the self (Tangney, Stuewig, & Mashek, 2007).
> While shame focuses on the entire self (e.g., 'Why did _I_ do that?'),
> guilt focuses on a specific act or behavior of the self ('Why did I _do
> that_?')." [emphasis is theirs]
>
> I'm not competent to understand how deep the 2 [sub]types of narcissism
> might extend. But it fits my intuition that even the most extreme case
> would be adaptive to surroundings. Even if robust to shame and guilt, an
> extreme grandiose must at least get frustrated when their context keeps
> providing negative feedback.
>
>
>
> On 4/29/20 10:33 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> > I think your previous invocation of "modes of being" are apt here.   I
> > suspect we all have our (minor? trivial? well-managed?  well-hidden?)
> > episodes of all of these features of narcissism.    Just after we hit a
> > lucky shot (pick your sport) or make a killer-prediction (stock market,
> > news, personal business decision, etc.) we may feel a rush of
> > grandiosity.   After a particular embarrassing faux-pas, we may feel
> > acutely judged and defend it with some posturing or rapid
> > change-of-topic.   I would suggest that if we are *healthy* (whatever
> > that means) that these are passing episodes which we compartmentalize
> > more than rationalize... too much rationalization can layer those
> > ego-preserving/enhancing habits deeper into our selves.
> >
> > Some of my earliest/strongest memories involved some kind of acute
> > embarrassment or abrupt awareness of my own vulnerability (even if not
> > observed by others).  To the extent I am aware of those moments and keep
> > them somewhat walled off as exceptional moments rather than
> > internalizing them as (ambiguous?) proof of my ultimate entitled
> > powerfulness or my abject victimhood, I feel like I can use them to
> > understand myself and the world I live in better, rather than slip into
> > (yet more of) a fantasy that protects/supports my ego.
>
>
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