[FRIAM] Abducktion

[Gary Schiltz]

Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle
mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part,
as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a
lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in
English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all respects than
English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs are still
somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing that
Frank mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke
itself on mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even blame
the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist!

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <tom at jtjohnson.com> wrote:

> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself."  A phrase
> which you think I would remember.
> TJ
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> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza".  A
>> literal word--for-word  translation is "The cup fell itself on me".  Some
>> people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility.
>>
>> Frank
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>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan <
>> barry.mackichan at mackichan.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us
>>> until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal
>>> programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming
>>> language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and
>>> encapsulation.
>>>
>>> —Barry
>>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Nah.  He means more than that.  Even ordinary languages predispose users
>>> to one kind of discourse or another.  I assume that programming languages
>>> do the same.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> N
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