[FRIAM] Abducktion

Fri Aug 7 18:30:26 EDT 2020

I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me
gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases
me". Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice
is.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward <edward.angel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish
> as in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?”
>
> The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I
> get objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious
> because I don’t use the passive voice.
>
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> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <gary at NaturesVisualArts.com>
> wrote:
>
> Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still
> struggle mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on
> my part, as well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language
> (there are a lot of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on
> Facebook in English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all
> respects than English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs
> are still somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing
> that Frank mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil
> broke itself on mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even
> blame the victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist!
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <tom at jtjohnson.com> wrote:
>
>> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself."  A
>> phrase which you think I would remember.
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>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza".  A
>>> literal word--for-word  translation is "The cup fell itself on me".  Some
>>> people say this is an effort to avoid responsibility.
>>>
>>> Frank
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>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan <
>>> barry.mackichan at mackichan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with
>>>> us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal
>>>> programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming
>>>> language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and
>>>> encapsulation.
>>>>
>>>> —Barry
>>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nah.  He means more than that.  Even ordinary languages predispose
>>>> users to one kind of discourse or another.  I assume that programming
>>>> languages do the same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> N
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