[FRIAM] speaking of drugs

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

I picked out the following for examination.  

 

But, then again, anyone who combines "100% 

> against drugs" with the consumption of wine probably can't be trusted

 

As the person designated in this argument to be against drugs, I have to confess to drinking an occasional glass of wine. And one bourbon eggnog at Christmas.   Nobody ever claimed for alcohol that it brought me to a new reality or raised one to a higher state of understanding.  I think of it as inducing a modulated and reversible little death of the mind, a quieting of the voice.  Not so much an altered state, as a slowed regular state.  It is evidently destructive, but sometimes a little destruction is just what one needs.  

 

Does this vitiate my puritan credentials?  Yes.  Almost certainly.  I wouldn’t trust me either.  Particularly after the bourbon.  

 

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:56 AM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] speaking of drugs

 

I would discount the story.  MDMA is not directly toxic. People die from the side-effects - overheating (especially the brain) and dehydration. Do not take MDMA in pill form - the ingredients used to bind and cut the pure stuff can obviously be dangerous. I use pure crystals and cannot imagine any possibility that any diluted residue could add up to a dose, and if the concentrate were still in the wine it could be detected and it still wouldn't have much effect unless you had as much as half a glass. 

 

davew

 

 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, at 5:46 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote:

> Belgian woman dies after taking sip of MDMA-laced wine 

>  <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/belgian-woman-dies-after> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/belgian-woman-dies-after

> -taking-sip-of-mdma-laced-wine

> 

> I've succumbed to fake news before. I can't find the article, but 

> there was some hype by some startup chip maker claiming some 

> outrageous computational speed. I fell for it. My optimism beat out my doubt.

> Since that very embarrassing episode, before I ever even dreamed an 

> empty Celebrity like Trump would benefit from Russian disinformation 

> campaigns, I've been pretty suspicious of any news, especially 

> anything coming out of Silly Valley.

> 

> Given that, I can't help but wonder about the above article. MDMA 

> isn't as safe as psilocybin or LSD. But it's relatively safe. 

> Transporting concentrated mdma in wine bottles seems like a risky move 

> for a drug trafficker. If it was concentrated enough to kill her after 

> only a "little sip", somebody's head should roll within the 

> trafficker's value chain. But, then again, anyone who combines "100% 

> against drugs" with the consumption of wine probably can't be trusted 

> to be accurate about how big a "sip" she really had.

> 

> Of course, this is yet another reason to make your own beer/wine/cider 

> at your house ... thank you Jimmy Carter! Spirits are a different 

> thing, though. Back in PDX, a bunch of friends brought their homemade 

> whiskies, vodkas, and whatnot to a ping-pong party, happily trusting 

> each other to have done it right ... That's a big "No thank you, man"

> for me. Give me the wisdom of the microbes over distillation tech any 

> day of the week.

> 

> --

> ☣ uǝlƃ

> 

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