[FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle

Sun Jan 5 13:37:26 EST 2020

Lars, Merle, Nick, and FRIAM members,

Thank you for taking the time to respond, Lars! It's an important first
spark of interaction between two groups with Stockholm and Santa Fe as
nexus.

To the FRIAM Group members, Steve Smith can probably give you a good
summary of our brief but intense interaction with the Stockholm Community
last month which has Lars as a generous, in the background, avoiding the
spotlight, yet most powerful leader/organizer.

Merle was magnificent as a facilitator. Perhaps there's a way we can
facilitate an electronic exchange between the two groups as a kind of
question and response could flow between the two communities. Or some
process that has a feel of a  https://bohmdialogue.org/  ? We certainly
need to be sharing ideas and coming to greater understanding without
traveling great distances to accomplish it :-)

Lars, our FRIAM (Friday morning) Group mailing list has 351 members from
around the world interested in theory and applications of Complexity. This
email is on that list and your response is on that list.

The public archives are here"
   http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/

and the context of Nick's question was on this thread:
  http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/climate-change-questions-td7594117.html

-Stephen

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On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 10:42 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Merle,
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> FWIW, not a philosopher; a psychologist ethologist.  And also an organic
> gardener, by the way, who began his career as such by reading Louis
> Bromfield.  So, Yes, let’s worry about soil life, too!
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> The manner in which Merle snipped my note blunted it’s main point.  The
> Holocene – roughly the last 12,000 years? – is marked by a dramatic
> decrease in year-to-year climate variability which brought the Pleistocene
> to an end.  This made sedentary human life possible and civilization as we
> know it, with its high concentrations of human activity and stunning
> population increases.  So far as I know, we don’t know what factors
> precipitated the Holocene, so we don’t know what factors might terminate
> it.  In short, the peaceful climate regimen in which we live and on which
> we depend is a bloody miracle.  This is what drives me nuts about the Gaia
> Hypothesis.  Sure, think of the biosphere as an organism, but don’t think
> of it as an organism that EVER had any interest in sustaining human life.
> Or any life, for that matter, other than its own.
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> But we all need to beware of Environment Derangement Syndrome, a state of
> mind in which we do nothing because it’s all so overwhelming.  What we all
> agree on, is that we cannot take things as they are for granted. You work
> on your insects, Merle can work on Global Warming, and I can sweat climate
> variability, and perhaps, if we all push really hard, we might, just MIGHT,
> just POSSIBLY, get another 12,000 years.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2020 9:27 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: Question from Merle
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> Nick, I presented your question about variability to our close Swedish
> colleague, Lars Larsson.  Here is his response below.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Lars Larsson* <perslars at hotmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 6:10 AM
> Subject: Sv: Question from Merle
> To: Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
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> Hej Merle,
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> All farming-land need a rotation of different crops. Some times perennial
> plants to increase the nitrogen and some time other crops.
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> So it means that we need a rotation program (3-5 year) and this different
> plant must stand the climate change.
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> A bigger problem is the insects. We need them for this rotation. I have
> been working with my local food program since we met in Stockholm.
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> I talk to fisher/hunters and they told me that this year the fishing was
> zero. So I talk to next village and next village and next village and
> everywhere the same problem.
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> So I find some experts (entomologist) of insects and they told me that the
> situation is catastrophic. The insect are  more or less extinct. In this
> clean country?
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> We *cant focus on climate change*, it is only a part of the problem. Just
> now, just here it is not a problem at all. The problem with lack of insects
> is worse.
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> The entomologists told me the they have warn the government years ago. The
> problem is the management of the forests and the pesticides from the
> farming.
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> This is two sensitive areas for the government so they did not listen. If
> the scientist was to tell about it they lost their titles so they could
> not tell the truth about it.
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> And it is still the same situation.
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> So in my topsoil improvement program I involve the insects and now it is
> emergency. We have 2-3 years to help them to survival.
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> If the insects will be extinct the climate doesn't matter we can't
> survival. It takes millions of years to repair. Climate can be adjusted i
> 100 year if we want.
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> Kram
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> Lars
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> *Från:* Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
> *Skickat:* den 5 januari 2020 07:54
> *Till:* Lars Larsson <perslars at hotmail.com>
> *Ämne:* Question from Merle
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> A member of the complexity group here is a retired Philosophy professor.
> I've got them all thinking about climate now, and here is what Nick wrote:
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> "I could (after some labor) cite data to support the following concern:
>  What we should be watching out for, perhaps more than long term climate
> warming, is increases in year-to-year climate variability.
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> You can grow rape seed in Canada and maize in the US, and as the
>  climate alters, the bands of climate supporting these two crops will
>  move north.  But what happens if one year the climate demands one
> crop  and the next the other?  And the switch from one to the other
> is entirely unpredictable.
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> LARS--is this a good idea?  Do you have data on this?
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> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
> Center for Emergent Diplomacy
> emergentdiplomacy.org
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> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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> merlelefkoff at gmail.com <merlelefoff at gmail.com>
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> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
> emergentdiplomacy.org
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> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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