[FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00 outside SF City Hall; bring friends

Tue Jan 14 10:18:13 EST 2020

Agreed but I think Netanyahu is l
more likely to nuke Iran than Trump is likely to* get away with* attacking
anyone.

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On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 8:08 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't trust any government, especially ours at the present moment, to
> have any moral compass.
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:03 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> North Korea, Pakistan, potentially Iran, Israel, Russia ...  Do you trust
>> them to be as moral as you are?
>>
>> I had a dream last night about being surrounded by Russians.  When I
>> awoke I learned that they were hacking into Burisma.
>>
>> -----------------------------------
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>>
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>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020, 7:43 AM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, George.  There's a bigger picture here.  I went to CNLS because I
>>> could work with complex systems scientists who were not doing weapons work,
>>> and I had access to post-docs from all over the world (not true any more).
>>> But Lanl is what it is, and it's stupidly but not unexpectedly, building
>>> parts for new nuclear weapons.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM George Duncan <gtduncan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Based on my experience at LANL, Marcus’s assessments are correct.
>>>> Indeed much of LANL activity involves basic science that most of us would
>>>> find quite laudable. And many in its   technical staff are our neighbors.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 8:33 PM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> < There are many powerful people in Washington who know LANL
>>>>> specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. >
>>>>>
>>>>> I am confident the use of such a property would be for science,
>>>>> administration, and outreach & training functions, not secure national
>>>>> work.   It would probably make a lot of LANL employees happy, as many of
>>>>> them live in Santa Fe.    Anyway, get real, if it wasn't for all the
>>>>> federal money, cities in New Mexico would collapse, there would be no SFI,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of Merle Lefkoff <
>>>>> merlelefkoff at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 13, 2020 2:41 PM
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>>>>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Fwd: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12; 00
>>>>> outside SF City Hall; bring friends
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: *Leslie Lakind* <leftielakind at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 2:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: NO LANL IN SANTA FE! Wednesday, 12;00 outside SF City Hall;
>>>>> bring friends
>>>>> To:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: *Greg Mello* <gmello at lasg.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> recruit others *
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>>>>>
>>>>> *Dear New Mexico friends – *
>>>>> As we have explained in previous letters
>>>>> <http://www.lasg.org/letters/letters.html>, Wednesday is the day on
>>>>> which the City will announce the finalists for "Master Developer" of the
>>>>> former College of Santa Fe site (and possibly surrounding properties as
>>>>> well, a 64- to ~100-acre project). The National Nuclear Security
>>>>> Administration (NNSA) has applied for this role. NNSA and/or Los Alamos
>>>>> National Laboratory (LANL) are present in some (not all) other proposals,
>>>>> as tenant(s).
>>>>>
>>>>> The situation is opaque, fluid, and developing. So far, Mayor Webber
>>>>> has disdainfully rebuffed our requests to meet or discuss the momentous
>>>>> social, cultural, and economic development impacts of placing a nuclear
>>>>> weapons campus in Santa Fe. (Don't be deceived -- that is exactly what LANL
>>>>> is and what this would be.)
>>>>>
>>>>> People power may be the only force stronger than LANL's money and
>>>>> corruption. We really need you to help us expand our numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you live *anywhere* nearby please come to this joint press
>>>>> conference, and please ask as many friends to come as possible. Sheer
>>>>> attendance matters. A strong showing Wednesday will save countless hours of
>>>>> work later, and will give wings to efforts to push back on LANL's entirely
>>>>> unjustified expansion. There are many powerful people in Washington who
>>>>> know LANL specializes in taxpayer ripoffs. Some of them need to see some
>>>>> spine from us out here to take to their bosses.
>>>>>
>>>>> New Mexico is being selected to be a nuclear weapons support and
>>>>> sacrifice area. That now includes the Santa Fe metro area.
>>>>>
>>>>> We may not know know the outcome of this first Midtown Campus decision
>>>>> by noon Wednesday but regardless of that we must seize the day.
>>>>>
>>>>> While it seems absurd that NNSA could be a possible "master
>>>>> developer," we can't be sure that Mayor Webber and the people around him
>>>>> wouldn't want that -- or want, say, a training facility for plutonium
>>>>> workers. We just don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> This event will also give us a chance for us to network with each
>>>>> other and with representatives of any other groups present, as well as
>>>>> speak to any City officials willing to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Getting people to come on Wednesday is the sole action item we are
>>>>> recommending right now. It is very, very important!  *
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
>>>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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>>>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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