[FRIAM] alternative response

[Frank Wimberly]

Nick,

I'm the one who's almost as old as you.

Dave,

I eat fruits and vegetables because my wife makes sure I can't avoid them.
When I was single my dinner diet consisted of about 6 things. The most
eaten vegetables were potatoes and tomatoes.  Now I probably eat herbs
without knowing it.

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 12:53 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Aw, booo!
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:52 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response
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> The Shadow.
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> And I didn't look it up.
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> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
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> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 12:43 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Russ,
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> I seem to have confounded two issues, here: Is Engineering ever a science,
> and is software engineering in any sense a science?  Will we ever converge
> on the Best Way To Build A Bridge?  And, Is Software engineering like
> bridge-building?   I guess that in bridge building there are certain harsh
> realities to which we must conform.  Are there any harsh realities to which
> software engineering must conform?  What are they?  Does having to conform
> to harsh realities make an activity a science?
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> “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?”  [I bet you nobody on
> this list knows the origin of that quote without looking it up.]
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:36 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response
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> "Science" is generally defined as the study of the natural world. If we
> take that to exclude man-made artifacts and processes, software engineering
> (by definition) is not a science.
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> -- Russ Abbott
> Professor, Computer Science
> California State University, Los Angeles
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> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:27 AM Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com>
> wrote:
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> *< *So, software engineering is not a science. It’s a culture?  There is
> no right or wrong about it?  >
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> In practice, it is a culture.   People cling to their beliefs and their
> habits, like the racists do.   Attempts to intervene cause a lot of
> turmoil.   Intervention sometimes seems urgent, but really it is probably
> better to avoid these cultures.
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> Marcus
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