[FRIAM] alternative response

[Marcus Daniels]

Excellent.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of "thompnickson2 at gmail.com" <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
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Date: Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:43 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

Somebody once said that Psychology is the discipline that explores the contradictions between the first and the third person point of view.  I can see that.  However, if I am to decide which side of the contradiction to privilege, I would choose the third person point of view.  After all, there billions of you and only one of me.

N

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/


From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 2:57 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

Would you ask a Facebook image labeling algorithm how it converts a picture into a name?
If I were to try to write a set of bots to reproduce FRIAM conversations, I’d probably do it with an agent-based approach, and dump my mental model of each person into a program, and then run the programs together, like a sort of core-war game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War

I think the dynamics of this game would be predictable sometimes, and other times it would have long transients.  Other times idiosyncratic word associations would redirect the conversation in unexpected directions.

I’m not sure what you are asking.  It seems like you see the reflection on behavior as different from behavior.   To me it is all just behavior based on different inputs and types of outputs.

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> on behalf of Russ Abbott <russ.abbott at gmail.com<mailto:russ.abbott at gmail.com>>
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Date: Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com<mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response

Marcus,  That's a very fancy description. How did you come up with it? And how did you find the words to express it?

-- Russ Abbott
Professor, Computer Science
California State University, Los Angeles


On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:12 PM Jon Zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com<mailto:jonzingale at gmail.com>> wrote:
Nick,

For what it is worth, I am not even sure we will come to agree
on the best way to describe the physics of the natural world.

Jon



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