[FRIAM] "the arc of ...bends toward ...."

thompnickson2 at gmail.com thompnickson2 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 15 15:47:58 EDT 2020


Sorry, Glen, Sorry Marcus.  I knew that!  Brain Fart.  

  I have gotten the text version of the thread into word.txt and have edited
the first 3 exchanges (out of dozens) .  It has only taken me a half an
hour.   W'ooooHooo!  I wonder how long I will go on THIS time before I get
discouraged.  

Anyhow, it is the first time I have been around when computer folks tried to
steel man (?) Free Will, and I am determined to try to follow it. 

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
 


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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen?C
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 1:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "the arc of ...bends toward ...."

Marcus said that. >8^D  But I'm honored to be confused for Marcus.

http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/alternative-response-tp7597063p7597080.htm
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On 6/15/20 12:10 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> Glen Hath Said:
> 
> Hah, the arc of technical universe is long, but it bends toward best
practices?
> 
> Wow, Glen, did this send me down a rat-hole.  I thought at first that it
was something that Oliver Wendall Holmes might have said about justice,
because Holmes was at the table with Peirce and James invented pragmatism,
and, I am told, tended to think about Justice in the same way that Peirce
thought about truth.  The arc of inqury bends toward truth.  That led me to
search the quotations of OWH, father and son, but, as you know, I never
found the quote in either Holmes, Sr or Jr,  because it is not there.  It is
of course from that famous Pragmatist Philosopher, Martin Luther King who
cribbed it from a 19^th Century Abolitionist minister, Theodore Parker, who
was a notable member of the same community in which the young Peirce ,young
James and young Holmes grew up. 
 (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/11/15/arc-of-universe/) .
> 
> However, I don’t regard the time as lost.  An hour rummaging around in 
> the quotations of the Holmes’s was well worth it.  I recommend it.  My 
> favorite of the moment is
> 
> The mode by which the inevitable comes to pass is effort.
> 
> Which seems somehow to bear on the paradox of free will.
> 
> Glen, the recent efflorescence of reflection on free will, etc., caused me
once again to try and distill the correspondence, so I could try to grasp
it.  This time I tried with nabble.  Still no luck .   Yeah, I know.  Now
that I have climbed out thie ‘arc of 
 justice” rat hole, I may make another
try.  Does the arc of effort bend toward success?
> 

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