[FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

Wed Jun 24 00:02:55 EDT 2020

Does anybody have bill McCallum’s email address? 

If you send it to me personally, I will try to get him to join us.  

Nick 

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

I still wonder what happened to Bill McCallum.  He hadn't come for some time before we switched to Zoom.

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:53 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

No worries, Frank.  It didn’t really deserve to be taken seriously.  It’s one of those “emperor’s new clothes” ideas that we all have from time to time, based on the outrageously arrogant and preposterous idea that I see things that the experts haven’t seen, and if only, etc., the world would be a better place and I would be rich and famous, etc.  I love the idea of walking around the world in proton-emitting polymer gloves that would no doubt etch the surface of everything I touched. Fingerprint Man! 

The great thing about friam is there is often somebody wlling to kick around almost any old idea.   

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:37 PM
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Nick,

I apologize for not taking it seriously.  I'm sorry.

Frank

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Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:32 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Eric and all,

Thanks for taking it seriously.  Do we know anyone who could comment on the notion further.  Would cotton gloves washed in vinegar be anti viral when dried? 

Nick

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Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:32 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?

Nick and all, hi,

This will be completely un-useful and un-actionable to anybody, but the way you phrased your question is interesting anyway.

When there was a push to develop fuel cells with polymer membranes, to get away from platinum-palladium catalysts, one of the problems was that they needed a membrane that would be proton-donating (so, functioning as an acid by the Bronsted definition).  There was a heavy raft of work for perhaps a decade (maybe much longer) on polymer materials that have very acidic side-chains.  I don’t know how anything like that behaves if it is out under air, rather than in a fluid environment.  But if viruses are not dry, and are hosted in small droplets for a time, perhaps that distinction is less relevant.

In any case, considering that the glove industry is probably entirely predicated on reducing unit cost, and that I have no idea what the elasticity may be of fuel cell membrane polymers, they probably will not be glove material anytime soon.  I haven’t even looked at that literature for, what, maybe 15 years (?).  So I have no idea what the state of development is now.

Eric. 

On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:38 AM, <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Any materials experts out there? 

Ok, so.  We know that most covid transmission is hand to face and we know that the virus is highly vulnerable to acids and some other substances.  Is it not possible to design gloves (and perhaps masks) with those substances embedded?  How about cloth gloves dunked in vinegar and hung out to dry before wearing?  Is vinegar still acid when it’s dry?  

Yeah.  I know.  Dumb.  But somebody explain to me why. 

N

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