[FRIAM] Virus Cases

Sat Jun 27 15:20:54 EDT 2020

J

OHMIGOSH!  What a kind thought! No, I think we are ok in santa fe for masks, etc.  Others may contradict me.  We are surrounded by states where bad things are happening, and we are the sort of place where rich people flee when the place where they get rich gets dangerous. But so far, we lurch along at 2-3 cases a day in a county of 150,000.   Apparently there are 87 people in the county that are recovering (or dying) from the virus.  3 dead. 120 recovered. 

Thanks, Jochen.   Given how we have abused the world in the last 4 years, it’s touching to think that ANYBODY in another country gives a damn what happens to us.  

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

 <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:10 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

Is there something I can do to help? I could try to get masks and send them to Santa Fe in a small parcel if you give me an address. In the beginning they were hard to get and sold out everywhere, but know it is a bit easier here. Or is it easier to buy them in Santa Fe now too? I am not rich (the cleaning lady was the idea of my wife because she works often 12 hours a day and I am too lazy to clean every week), but if I can help please let me know.

-J.

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From: Marcus Daniels <marcus at snoutfarm.com <mailto:marcus at snoutfarm.com> > 

Date: 6/27/20 19:43 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> > 

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases 

I knew one person that died in a car accident.  I know one person who was shot but survived.  I know of people that have killed themselves, but not personally.   I know of one person in a nursing home that died from COVID-19.    It took many years for me to learn of the former cases, but less than a year to learn of the COVID-19 death.    

But I know a number of people that have some combination of risk factors:  impaired endothelial function (e.g. hypertension), older than 56, who have lived with polluted air for many years, are packed tightly with neighbors in an apartment building, who are overweight, who don’t or can’t exercise, and who have cancer or diabetes.    Bring the virus to individuals with most of these factors, and they have a good chance of dying. 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > on behalf of Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net <mailto:jofr at cas-group.net> >
Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Date: Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 10:17 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> >
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Virus Cases

I was asking me the same as Nick. We experience a global pandemic and I am living in a big city of 3.8 million inhabitants and I don't know anybody who really has it. I have asked our local newspaper salesman who meets a lot of people and he says he knows people who have it, but only have little or no symptoms. Our cleaning lady (which helps us cleaning our apartment) is from Chile, she said her whole family in Santiago has the virus because they all live together in very small rooms where the virus can easily spread. Both of her grandparents have died from it. In Berlin we have overall only 8000 infected people, which is low compared to the overall population. Luckily.

The biggest recent SARSCoV2 outbreak in Germany was at a meat factory: low 10°C temperatures increase droplet formation and water condensation, no distance between workers and poor working conditions all contributed to the outbreak

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53177628

In America as a whole the situation looks really concerning. Chris Hayes argues on MSNBC that the government has failed and Donald Trump should resign as president

https://youtu.be/oB4N27evVwY

-J.

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From: Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com <mailto:wimberly3 at gmail.com> > 

Date: 6/27/20 18:41 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> > 

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson 

>I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.  

One of my high-school classmates  (a few weeks older than I) died of Covid-19 on April 30.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:23 AM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> > wrote:

David,

nthompson at clarku.edu <mailto:nthompson at clarku.edu>  works just fine or ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>  . 

I am really, REALLY  sorry but I don't think we should meet.  I just told my "pod" that I think that, with the rising cases in neighboring states, Santa Fe has started to get more dangerous again, and that we should we should be even more careful than we have been. (Rural Western Massachusetts got a lot of cases from "vacationing" New Yorkers in March.)   With talk of a vaccine by the beginning of next year, it just seems stupid to take any risks whatsoever. 

It's not that long.  In the meantime, let's continue to interact electronically.  We could do our own zoom session.  You will point out how "notional" the hazard is, and I will have to admit that I actually have no first-hand experience with the disease, what-so-ever.  I don't even know anybody, personally, who has told me that they know anybody who has had the disease.  It is still, for me, a media event.  A cultural meme.  Pray God it remains that way.   

So let's plan to meet "on the other side.". 

You take care!

Nick 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> 

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com> 
Subject: [FRIAM] Nick Thompson

Nick,

Your Earthlink email address (the only other one I have) bounced. I am in Santa Fe for a couple of days, until July 2.

davew

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