[FRIAM] Dennett on agency
Frank Wimberly
wimberly3 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 20 16:54:48 EDT 2020
I intend to check the mail in a few minutes. I am not doing it now.
Nobody else knows of my plan until you read this. Why can't I validly say
that I have that intention?
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Frank C. Wimberly
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Santa Fe, NM
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 2:27 PM <thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Russ,
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> I have not had time to follow this thread, but just want to remind you
> what my first response to your question would be. Intentions are not the
> sorts of thing we “have”. They are things that we do. They are of a
> higher order than knee jerks, or even apple bites, but they are patterns
> in behavior all the same.
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> I have busy because I signed up to do all sorts of things in September
> because I had nothing to do, and to my horror and surprise, every thing I
> signed up for, bore fruit and now I am overwhelmed. I have a prejudice
> against Dennett. I think he worries too much about his standing with the
> Big Kids at Harvard and trying NOT to violate vernacular ways of thinking
> so much as to dent his royalties. And I am jealous of him.
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> So there.
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> Hope you are well
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> Nick
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> Nicholas Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
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> Clark University
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> ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
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> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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> *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:07 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Dennett on agency
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> Not sure what the point is. Larger systems can exploit information and
> "pick of scars." Cells in that sense are larger systems. I'm confused about
> what that is supposed to add to the discussion.
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> Computer programs can certainly be described using intentional language.
> Does that mean that a computer program can have intention? If so, that
> seems to degrade the notion of intent.
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> -- Russ Abbott
> Professor, Computer Science
> California State University, Los Angeles
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> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 9:23 AM jon zingale <jonzingale at gmail.com> wrote:
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> ... and why tornados fail to have it. A key feature appears to be that
> agents
> have a history that makes a difference, can exploit information the way a
> thermostat can. Electrons or molecular motors, for instance, don't pick up
> scratches or scars. Sean Carroll adds that agents participate in the arrow
> of time.
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> Queued up to the relevant part of the discussion:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZw4wxvnVQ&ab_channel=SeanCarroll&t=1670s
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