[FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

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That's just nonsense. By the time you're at the ER, the vaccine is largely irrelevant. Plus, when some 18 year old kid comes in unconscious with a gunshot wound, it's difficult to ask her if she's been vaccinated or not.

Anyway, most large hospitals are under a mandate to treat whoever walks in the door, even if they don't have insurance. To make the change you suggest would require major legislative effort and, perhaps, re-architect the laws that govern public medicine. You're not gonna do that anytime soon.

Taking a look at this site: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944379919/new-data-reveal-which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours
it seems the ratio of covid patients is actually lower than I thought. The actual problem is insufficient buffer capacity, not the surge in covid patients. The covid patients are simply demonstrating the problem.


On 8/25/21 9:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Will you consent to a vaccine?  
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> Yes:  You get treatment for your non-COVID condition.  No:  Get lost.  
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> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
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> Because the majority of the patients in the ERs are not covid patients. (Last I heard the percentages were around 60-70% are non-covid. But I'm sure it's location dependent.) They're regular people with regular problems, many of whom delayed medical treatments for a year due to lockdowns. We did a little too much "just in time" logistical planning with our hospitals and this fairly tiny bump is demonstrating that our buffer wasn't high enough.
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> The smart thing to do is increase capacity, correct the buffer size, and take care of both covid patients and regular people.
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> On 8/25/21 9:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Why should we increase the capacity of the hospitals?  Just don't let them in.
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>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:25 AM
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>> Well, only if you don't make a big stink out of it. If it's a normal, everyday thing, yeah sure. But if it's some litmus test for who's with us or who's against us, then they're much less willing to submit to such tests.
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>> You see this in spades w.r.t. to the protests. In Portland, they antifa are rigorous about staging counter protests, which makes the fascists dig in and be more committed to protesting, which makes the antifa more committed, ad infinitum. Here in Olympia, it's mostly just the fascists out there protesting mask and vaccine mandates. (Yes, irony is dead.) But as a result, they're anticlimactic and peter out pretty comfortably.
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>> Along the same lines of "don't feed the troll", if we focused our attention on increasing the capacities of hospitals rather than brow beating the anti-vaxers, I suspect the vax rate would climb steadily and the reactionary tendencies of the anti-vaxers would abate.
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>> On 8/25/21 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> These same people are willing to submit to an employer's drug tests.


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