[FRIAM] Liberal "othering" or statement of fact?

Tue Aug 31 13:22:22 EDT 2021

Our daughter's inlaws are Evangelical Christians.  They support Trump but
they got their vaccinations as soon as they could except for our son-in-law
who resisted until our daughter got forceful.  He still resists wearing a
mask.  The mother said she's decided that both the left and the right are
insane.  We have to be careful because if our grandson get exposed via his
mother he won't be able to go to his fourth grade class for a while.
They're all expecting test results today.  Son-in-law has been coughing and
has a fever.  If he tests positive we may have a full guest house.

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On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 10:59 AM Roger Critchlow <rec at elf.org> wrote:

> I don't know, there are many reasons why a pharmaceutical company might
> fail.
>
> One of the most spectacular is illustrated by googling "glycoRNA".  So, a
> whole class of biological compounds, short RNA sequences decorated with
> glycans (also known as polysaccharides), first suspected to exist in 2019 (
> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/787614v1.full) turn out to exist
> in 2021 (https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2021.04.023) in spades, all over
> cell membranes.  Nobody knew these compounds existed, so no one was looking
> to develop them or antagonists to them into drugs.
>
> On the other hand, the snake oil sellers don't just kill their customers,
> they also traumatize the survivors.  If the advertisers on Tucker will
> screw you, who can you trust?
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:35 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I suppose a locus on the left centers around the concepts of
>> "natural", "organic", or "holistic" whereas on the right it's more
>> fractured, objective oriented. And since much of science is structured by
>> focused objectives, the righties tend to align with targeted science and
>> the lefties tend to align with things like "emergence" and multifarious
>> conditions (like chronic lyme disease or fibromyalgia or ... climate
>> change). It would be fun to find out how many casual yoga goers describe
>> themselves as left or right. (I imagine actual yogis would avoid the
>> question. 8^D)
>>
>> In the end, nonlinearity is hard for everyone. Where pharma has a crisp
>> target, it will find a treatment. But where the target's not so crisp,
>> it'll likely fail.
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/21 8:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> > On one hand there is woo-woo, but others have semi-reasonable concerns
>> that drug candidates don't make it through the medical establishment.   I
>> am skeptical about that because pharma stands to make money from any
>> compounds that work, and they have huge investments in high throughput
>> screening.   So it seems to me they'd probably find the chemistry behind
>> herbal remedies.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 7:31 AM
>> > To: friam at redfish.com
>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Liberal "othering" or statement of fact?
>> >
>> > I don't want to be a "both sides" person. But there's plenty of that on
>> the left, too. I suppose it's for products like Paltrow's:
>> https://goop.com/ Or reiki. Or crystals. Snake oil is non-partisan.
>> >
>> > One thing that's a toss-up for me is the NCCIH:
>> https://www.nccih.nih.gov/ On the one hand, I'm an integrationist ...
>> and my contrariness demands I respect *complementary*. But some of the
>> stuff they support research into looks like hogwash to me. I try to keep an
>> open mind, though.
>> >
>> > On 8/31/21 7:09 AM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>> >> *//*So saith Paul Krugman:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/opinion/covid-misinformation-supple
>> >> ments.html
>> >> <https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/opinion/covid-misinformation-suppl
>> >> ements.html>
>> >>
>> >> Once you’re sensitized to the link between snake oil and right-wing
>> politics, you realize that it’s pervasive.
>> >>
>> >> This is clearly true in the right’s fever swamps. Alex Jones of
>> Infowars has built a following by pushing conspiracy theories, but he makes
>> money by selling nutritional supplements <
>> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/05/how-does-alex-jones-make-money.html>.
>> It’s also true, however, for more mainstream, establishment parts of the
>> right. For example, Ben Shapiro, considered an intellectual on the right,
>> hawks supplements.Look at who advertises <
>> https://tvrev.com/whos-still-advertising-with-tucker-carlson-at-the-end-of-q2-2021/>
>> on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. After Fox itself, the top advertisers
>> are My Pillow, then three supplement companies.Snake oil peddlers, clearly,
>> find consumers of right-wing news and punditry a valuable market for their
>> wares. So it shouldn’t be surprising to find many right-leaning Americans
>> ready to see vaccination as a liberal plot and turn to dubious alternatives
>> — although, again, I didn’t see livestock dewormer coming.
>> >>
>>
>>
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