[FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

[thompnickson2 at gmail.com]

Dave West, 

I just stumbled on your lovely story about the marketers who never meet.  

We we miss you.  We you have been swept up by Vegas culture and that we will never see you until you show with a bindle on your back or driving a silver BMW.  Which ever, we'll take you.  

N

Nick Thompson
ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] academia as a market of ideas

A "market" found in aboriginal Australia and the South Pacific:

1- the two sides never spoke, only one side was "in the market" at any given time.
2- side A put out piles of the goods(A) they wanted to trade then leave.
3- side B would place their trade goods(B) near the goods(A) they wished to purchase, then leave.
4-Side A would remove piles that had no goods(B) and factor the goods(A) piles into smaller lots, then leave.
5-Side B would add good(B) to the smaller good(A) piles.
4-5 would continue until there was no change in the good(A) and good(B) piles — indicating that X amount of Good(A) was worth Y amount of Good(B)

No "commonality" of which glen speaks.

Academia does not function as such a market, but I think FRIAM might. Lot's of ideas put out that attract no response while others spawn long threads. This is a kind of "valuation" of the original idea to others on the list.

davew



On Thu, Feb 18, 2021, at 2:29 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> IDK, my joke response earlier was intended to say that I can't parse 
> "market of ideas". A market requires some common measure (e.g.
> currency) to which everything is reduced and with which the things are 
> bought and sold. If it's a market, what is that measure? You could 
> make an argument that the measure need not be a reduction ... like 
> some sort of barter. But there would still need to be some 
> commonality, perhaps a language like English. And my guess is each 
> idea domain has its own jargon, which implies the domains would all 
> need to be inter-translatable ... and that would require some 
> discussion of how isomorphic the languages are.
> 
> I'd argue part of why Nick thinks Sober is a tourist is because their 
> languages don't match very well. Hence, either it's not a market or 
> these 2 traders are bad at trading ... or somesuch.
> 
> On 2/18/21 12:44 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
> > I would think the metaphor is quite precise, since the same force 
> > that distorts a commercial market place -- accrued power -- also distorts an
> > academic one.   I guess you might say -- I might say -- that when Sober
> > publishes in a behavior journal, he is using his power in one domain 
> > -- philosophy of biology --  to tour in another.  To make that case 
> > I would have to show that the argument he makes is not only shabby 
> > in behavioral terms, but no reason to claim that behavioral 
> > presuppositions are inconsistent with more general principles of science.  A heavy lift?
> > 
> > Nick Thompson
> > ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com
> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of jon zingale
> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:37 PM
> > To: friam at redfish.com
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Watch Mars landing this afternoon
> > 
> > Speaking of efficiency, to what extent is it fair to consider 
> > academia an efficient market of ideas? To the degree that it is, 
> > would this justify conceptual tourism?
> 
> --
> ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ
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