[FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?

[Steve Smith]

Glen -

You seem to be closer to a hotbed of the divide in Olympia than most of
us...  what with the shootings during a left/right clash there and then
the "me too's" breaching the Governor's Mansion perimeter last night.
(and I know there is plenty more)

Do you have any insight into this coming from that proximity? 

- Steve

PS.  I agree with what I take your point below to be, that (too) many of
us conflate "that which offends us" with "that which should be directly
actionable", this is (part of the way) we get to these absurd situations...

On 1/7/21 10:07 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:
> Prolly won't go anywhere. But maybe I'm cynical:
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> https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/06/progressives-back-rep-cori-bushs-resolution-expel-lawmakers-who-incited-violent
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> Anyway, it's the Senate that matters. Here's the vote records (select "Yea/Aye" in the Votes drop down):
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>   https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202110?Page=2
>   https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202111?Page=2
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> I think motion 10 was against electors from AZ and 11 was against PA. Similarly for the Senate:
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>   https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00001#position
>   https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=117&session=1&vote=00002#position
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>
> I think it's super fvcking SCARY to hear people talking about expelling democratically elected members of congress just for raising objections and voting. I drift a bit more toward Dave's position when the left talks like that. The people who should be arrested, tried, and (if found guilty) punished are the assholes who broke into the Capitol, *not* duly elected representatives following congressional rules as best they can. The left can't have the cake and eat it. Either our elections are relatively trustworthy or they're not.
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> The instigators like Gosar, Perry, Cruz, and Hawley deserve some blowback, maybe even expulsion. But not the others who simply voted for the objections. 
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> On 1/6/21 3:40 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Couldn't they fill some of those bland looking government buses with beer, as bait?   I volunteer to drive. 
>>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of David Eric Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 2:34 PM
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Tangled up in our own 2nd Amendment? Bleak Lives Manner?
>>
>> It would do to unseat all those engaged in today’s little display, as co-conspirators with the group outside.
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>> Gosh, Mitch, you seem to have lost the senate today by 16 seats.  Had you wanted a better outcome, you might have made some different decisions (hundreds of them) systematically over the last 4 years.
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>> Now, AOC, what legislation was it that you wanted passed?
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>> Eric
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