[FRIAM] Talent and Moral Luck - Steelman attempt

[Marcus Daniels]

Depending on where one sits in a company, one be more motivated by stock options or by salary.   Those that don't have golden handcuffs seem more likely to me to walk if the decisions the company takes are not considered to be good ones by those employees.   Not only will they take their skill, but they have competitive information in their heads that will walk with them.   It is a risk for the company leaders to consider.   It won't necessarily be effective, just like boycotts aren't necessarily effective.   I imagine a lot of risk here was the potential for boycotts or to mitigate heavy-handed regulation from Democratic legislation.

Do I want these selfish organizations to rule in place of democracy?   No but democracy is only one of the principles among many that I care about.   Who do I expect to act more rationally, Twitter or a random collection of Trumpers?   People associate with organizations like AARP or the NRA to have their interests advanced too.

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That is true, though not free of further consideration. Eric's steelman highlights a tight coupling between individual and society, tight enough that actions on the *negative space*[1] of society are effective actions induced on the individual. Similar arguments arise when we talk about lowering one's individual carbon footprint by not driving. Extensionally, this is fine but ignores the fact that computational difference amounts to much more than *convenience* in practice[2]. Not driving is self-gimping and only makes it harder to influence the necessary change.

That said and in further response to Barry, to treat Trump as a felon (which he likely ought be) and to exact this judgment through indirect means sets a dangerous precedent by ignoring type. However, maybe this is what we want our society to be like? I think I must be ok with the idea that it is *mobsters all the way down*, but again, I keep hearing idealistic talk of ethics on this server.

[1] To pull in jargon another current Friam topic:
http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/a-more-focused-and-actionable-set-of-articles-of-impeachment-Sedition-vs-Insurrection-td7600137i20.html#a7600227

[2] Apologies if I am x-splaining. Your posts make it very clear that you think a lot about computation.



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