[FRIAM] The case for and the case against Covid vaccinations

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If you would be specific about your chosen alternative, we could have a specific discussion. For example, are you comparing:

1) Vaccination versus
2) Ivermectin?

If we ignore all the side effects of ivermectin (e.g. fever, pruritus, skin rash), we should at least consider cost. The tablets of ivermectin available to me are 20 tablets at 3mg for ~$30. Given that we won't reach herd immunity for quite some time, let's guess you'll have to take ivermectin for the next 6 months. And let's guess at a dosage of 12 mg. How many successive days do you have to take it? If we assume every day, we get $1092 for 6 months. If we assume 4 doses per week, we get $624 for 6 months.

As far as I know, the vaccines are free. But maybe you have to travel somewhere to get it. So, if your travel costs are less than the costs of the ivermectin, then the vaccination is the better choice.

Now, if you're not running the calculus for yourself, but for your daughter, then you have to estimate the risk to her ovaries. The article I posted DEBUNKED the evidence that the spike protein reaches the ovaries. But you won't talk about that. So, let's just assume that risk is non-zero and breeding is a high priority for her. Then, as long as she's not allergic to ivermectin, that regimen is a better choice than the mRNA vaccines. But what about the traditional (e.g. adenovirus-based) vaccines? Do you have any reason to believe the spike protein leaves the site of infection for traditional vaccines?

If not, the vaccination is still a better choice than the ivermectin prophylactic.

The above is an example of how you might start weighing one versus the other. You keep saying you haven't seen any argument that convinces you of anything. If the above is not what you're looking for, then 

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

Help me help you. What evidence would you accept? What would convince you?  My guess is that NOTHING will change your mind and you're only posting here to "stir the pot". 8^D


On 6/18/21 10:29 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote:
> I am serious about whether to vaccinate or not and for now my ears are all open for comments on whether to vaccinate or not. Up to now I haven't had an argument that convinces me to change my mind from my original message. For information, let me repeat my position:
> a) Covid is bad
> b) The vaccinations are effective and relatively safe and if there is no other option then it's better to get vaccinated.
> But tis is not the story, the whole story and nothing but the story, let me continue:
> c) There are messages out there that convince me that there are safe, low cost alternative remedies to being vaccinated that are as effective as vaccination.
> d) Although it's not as bad as the Covid infection itself, the Covid vaccination is also harmful, and especially scary is the potential long term serious harmful effects of the vaccination affecting the bone marrow and ovaries of women and girls. The original link I gave is the long discussion and was removed (not "censored", thanks Glen), but a clip where they discuss this specific issue is still, for now, available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY> .
> 
> For a slightly longer discussion with more details and references, please refer to the first email in this thread. If there are flaws in my reasoning I'd really like to hear about it.

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