[FRIAM] The Possibility of Self Knowledgke
uǝlƃ ☤>$
gepropella at gmail.com
Mon Nov 8 14:55:38 EST 2021
Yeah, I feel like we trash things we don't have good explanations for. Biology's done a nice job of steadily filling in gaps with real science, replacing any need for "morphic resonance". I guess this is one of the reasons I still want to read Goertzel's book: https://bookshop.org/books/evidence-for-psi-thirteen-empirical-research-reports/9780786478286
We've seen the same thing with the resurgence of "Lamarkian inheritance".
On 11/8/21 11:35 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> your second paragraph is a nice channeling of Rupert Sheldrake — minus the morphogenesis.
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> davew
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 12:17 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
>> Both your and SteveS' comments address scope/extent directly. Nick
>> refuses to do that. I don't know why.
>>
>> If we allow for a spectrum of scope, we can say that the fast/small
>> loops "within self" provide those images, sounds, emotions you
>> experience in the deprivation tank. Even if they were programmed in, in
>> part, by experiences outside the tank, they keep "ringing" (standing
>> wave, persistent cycles) while in the tank. Like a tuned stringed
>> instrument, properties of your body/brain facilitate some tones over
>> others. If your body is grown over generations to "hold" some tones,
>> then that could be the source of the Jungian archetypes that continue
>> ringing under deprivation. And, arguably, those tones will ring longer
>> and louder than more transient ones learned before going into the tank,
>> that your body/brain aren't as effective/efficient at maintaining.
>>
>> Just outside the fast/small loops might be medium loops like dream
>> journaling, meditation, or exercise. That may extend to family or
>> regular contact with some things in the world. The SteveS' extended
>> mind might extend out slow/large loops like *knowing* that you have
>> your smartphone and can use Google at any given time, or *expecting*
>> that a city you're arriving to for the first time will have things like
>> overpasses and coffee shops, not only because your prior experiences
>> have programmed that in, but because you know other humans, with
>> similar bodies/brains (and archetypes) built those cities.
>>
>> Traveling to a completely foreign city like Pyongyang will expose
>> "other" not-self in the same way trying to learn a new game or sport
>> will expose "other" not-self.
>>
>> A discussion of self is meaningless without a discussion of scope.
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