[FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

[Steve Smith]

On 10/27/21 7:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's 
> heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In 
> Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes.

It would seem there are many regional and quasi-generational dialects of 
Silly Taunts...  I believe my playground training involved something 
more like "Nyah, Nyah, Nyah!" with a sprinkling of allusions to one's 
grandma wearing army boots.  We also were issued lariats along with 
dodge-balls and were allowed (up to injury that drew blood) to chase one 
another around and try to "head" or "heel" one another.   I never 
understood what the teachers were thinking, though I did enjoy the 
"game", both as roper and ropee... go figure.

I think this thread backs into a metaphor of 
mail-list-as-playground/sandlot and some of the kind of bullying the Jon 
tried to reference.


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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:35 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what
>     "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. But the grand
>     narrative I'm talking about is the (I suppose Rawlsian?) social
>     contract, including the wall of ignorance. That's distinct, I
>     think, from the altruism of joining a collective effort to take
>     responsibility for the future. The social contract argument seems
>     fundamentally self-serving, especially the wall of ignorance
>     fulcrum. It's a neo-liberal rhetorical device used to bridge the
>     chasm between self-serving and pro-social perspectives.
>
>     It's that bridge that is the grand narrative of the social
>     contract. If you don't buy into that story, then the whole thing
>     comes crumbling down. Most of my generation (X) and the Y's and
>     Z's are calling the emperor naked at this point. So when you tell
>     the story of the pre- and post- civil war understanding of the
>     constitution to anyone under, say, 50 years old, you *might* want
>     to consider that.
>
>     For some reason, I feel like King Arthur at the base of the French
>     castle in The Holy Grail: https://youtu.be/QSo0duY7-9s
>
>
>     On 10/26/21 1:03 PM, thompnickson2 at gmail.com wrote:
>     > Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener.  I assume that we
>     are all endowed with a very fuzzy ruleset from which patterns of
>     association arise.  What's grand about it.  I admit to a desire to
>     join with others in taking responsibility for our future.  I think
>     that such a joining is a "good", even while conceding that, given
>     complexity, that the future we plan for is unlikely to be the
>     future we get.
>     >
>     > How DARE you pin me with a categorical pin.  Besides, I am much
>     more pomo than you are.
>     >
>     > As I said: Neener, neener, neener.  And so's your old man.
>
>     -- 
>     "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
>     ☤>$ uǝlƃ
>
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