[FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics

Thu Apr 14 18:50:54 EDT 2022

I was literally listening to a news report on Musk's announcements about 
Twitter and Open-Source and discussions of the problems of "properly" 
moderating a town-square with algorithms. Back on my power-law 
hobby-horse, it seems like this applies to the depth/breadth, the 
specialist/generalist, and the severity of moderating "truthiness" vs 
"power"?

On 4/14/22 3:50 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Reaction was to the apparent suggestion that moderation would lead to more breadth, and that would lead to better outcomes.
> Too many chiefs and not enough Indians?  No confidence in any particular capability?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 2:45 PM
> To: friam at redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive heuristics
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> Hm. IDK. In a parallel universes world, generalists are higher order than specialists, operating over multiple worlds. So there seems to be a controversy about whether higher orders increase or decrease the degrees of freedom. If the existence of generalists increases the DoF, then you might want more generalists.
>
> On 4/14/22 14:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> I meant that a depth-first understanding of the world may be as informative and useful as a breadth-first understanding of the world.
>> Specialists tend to be rewarded more than generalists, and with billions of people, generalists do sort of seem redundant.   Ideally one can compute a bound that says when digging can stop.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 1:55 PM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive
>> heuristics
>>
>> Kinda depends. The book Alien Information Theory argues that DMT literally takes you to a different universe (based on Wheeler's and others theories that the universe is fundamentally information and brought about by observation of quantum events). He suggests putting yourself on a DMT drip to you will remain in that alternate universe permanently. He makes the observation, "to your friends you will appear to be dead."
>>
>> So that is one I would not do "completely" unless I was on my deathbed and had nothing to lose.
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> Everything once, but not once, completely?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Prof David West
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 12:07 PM
>>> To: friam at redfish.com
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Selective cultural processes generate adaptive
>>> heuristics
>>>
>>> My philosophy: ((everything) (once) then in moderation if it suits
>>> you)  not sure of parentheses, been a long time since Algebra I
>>>
>>> davew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, at 8:05 AM, glen wrote:
>>>> I certainly hope I'm not winning you over, accidentally or otherwise.
>>>> Your use of the word "fetish" is spot-on, in that such paraphilia
>>>> is, ultimately, unhealthy
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paraphilias> ... I guess
>>>> barring the "everything in moderation" principle [⛧].
>>>>
>>>> In fact, to be "won over" implies imprisonment, convicted to one's
>>>> convictions. However, I also think it's unhealthy to, say, be so
>>>> Luddite that you prefer "natural immunity" to vaccination ... or
>>>> prefer your wood burning fireplace to natural gas heat ... or to
>>>> demand to "talk to a person" rather than interacting with the phone
>>>> tree. That hyper-traditionalism is *also* an unhealthy fetish and
>>>> it's why, despite my conservatism, the neoreactionaries are so repulsive to me.
>>>> As a conservative, I constantly find myself defending the Now
>>>> against the fetishists of both the Yesterday and Tomorrow. Does that
>>>> mean I have a Now fetish? Maybe. But it's more like a reaction to
>>>> the non-Now fetishes around me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [⛧] The interpretation of "everything in moderation" depends on
>>>> where you put the parentheses. (Everything) (in moderation) implies
>>>> you
>>>> *should* do just a little bit of everything ... a little sky diving ...
>>>> a little body modification ... a little Christianity ... a little
>>>> crack cocaine, etc. But (Everything in moderation) implies that
>>>> whatever it is you choose to do should be in moderation.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/22 12:05, Steve Smith wrote:
>>>>> I think you are (accidentally?) winning me over to the post/trans-humanist fetish.   Just your talk of "play" and realizing how much I *already* play with automatons in the form of (see driving anecdotes) other drivers and roadway systems and (smart or dumb) traffic-lights, etc and bureaucracies.   I admit to always being taken in by (modern) science fiction stories with robot/android - human relationships... playing what might amount to a continuous, infinite game of Turing Test with them.   The same kind of "play" I currently engage in with dogs, cats, horses, watercourses, etc.   As a good animist, I can't see how I could reject the opportunity to "Play" with machine intelligences!
>>>>>
>>>>> When I get a full-body prosthetic to make up for my slowly failing organic musculo-skeletal system, I will probably find great enjoyment in "playing" with it the way I currently "play" with my bicycle and other vehicles, testing (softly these days) their performance envelope and response modes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jump cut to Ridley in her  Space-Mining-Waldo-Exoskeleton  with or without an Alien opponent.
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