[FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

[Marcus Daniels]

Enough of the self-loathing!   https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/scarcity-crisis-college-housing-health-care/621221/

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From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 1:08 PM
To: friam at redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake Our Democracy

I don't know what Olympia's temperatures are like this time of year, but my solution would be to move my freezer outside to the shady side of the house and open the lid at night and close it in the daytime (or move the contents of the freezer compartment of your fridgeto an ice-chest and do the same).

At least in terms of energy efficiency, when your (indoor) freezer runs, the waste heat it generates offsets the heating energy demand of the rest of your system...   it is no worse than a resistance heater.

I think moving into a condo would be hypocritical as well by some measure... there are places in Asia where people live in stacks of
10x10x10 storage units and depend on their compactness and body heat (and charcoal/propane mini-cooking stoves) to keep them warm.  Water carried in, waste carried out in buckets.  Hexagonal cells might be more hivelike, but this is damn close in scale and packing.  It is amazing the diversity of how they make those (tight by some standards) quarters liveable.   And then one step tighter are the Japanese microhotels.

On 2/8/22 1:28 PM, glen wrote:
> Yeah. And I'm a hypocrite, living in a single-family home, albeit 
> within the city limits. I keep telling Renee' we have to kill the cats 
> and buy a condo. She thinks I'm cruel. I had to pull out the generator 
> once this winter ... and that just to keep our freezer from thawing. A 
> decent battery system would have prevented that ... though I haven't 
> looked into what kind of battery system works for the variation in the 
> draw.
>
> On 2/8/22 12:17, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> The Berkeley area is a case in point. There are some people that 
>> don't want to see growth of the city and increased population.  They 
>> say to move out east.   But as one gets away from the mild 
>> microclimate near the water, it gets hot and fire risk goes up.   The 
>> cost of property is astronomical and there is an incentive for people 
>> that already have property to keep it expensive.   There is ongoing 
>> residential building going on along BART that extends out in all 
>> directions.
>>
>> Anyway, it seems reasonable to me to use existing infrastructure in 
>> ways to make things safer.    Even though I'm not in a high-risk fire 
>> zone, homes in my immediate area do get their power turned off when 
>> there is wind.   That seems completely ridiculous.  Taking 
>> survivalist measures like buying $20k worth of batteries when one 
>> ostensibly lives in a major metropolitan area seems to be evidence 
>> that things are very broken.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:46 AM
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Another Stunning Hydrogen Development - Retake 
>> Our Democracy
>>
>> It still sounds like rent-seeking to me. The answer is: Move to the 
>> city. Centralize. Hivitize. We need to stop enabling those who think 
>> a McMansion [⛧] in the forest/desert or the suburbs is, in any way, a 
>> Good Thing. Suburban and rural populations are sucking way more than 
>> they're contributing, living off the excess produced by the 
>> centralized hubs.
>>
>> It *seems* reasonable to assert that we should work on the "last 
>> mile" problem, applying individualist solutions like personal 
>> vehicles and private power lines (of whatever composition) directly 
>> to one's rural homestead. But the last mile problem is only a problem 
>> because of our delusional identity as individuals and our delusional 
>> conception of private property. Correct those causes and that symptom 
>> will be mitigated.
>>
>> Sure, there will still be issues like transporting individuals from 
>> the hive into the fields to do work (e.g. launching small groups into 
>> space). But those would be the edge cases, not the center. If the 
>> power law distributed majority of us lived in appropriately dense 
>> hives, compressed air storage makes a lot more sense (as does 
>> broadband communication, cultural transmission, and a host of other 
>> processes perverted by our identities as individuals).
>>
>>
>> [⛧] Sorry, Steve. I know your homestead, littered with cool 
>> micro-inventions and geeky tech, doesn't *seem* like a McMansion. But 
>> it essentially is ... just tailored to a - our - subculture's tastes.
>> >8^D Even for those who go fully "off grid", when the sh¡t hits the
>> fan, those humans, massively capable harvesters of natural resources 
>> that we are, will go back "on grid" to, say, get cancer treatment or 
>> buy some canned beans or whatnot. But we can tolerate the few truly 
>> innovative survivalists, and *not* pipe energy to their stead. It's 
>> the blatant exploiters, rent-seekers, whose living out there is fully 
>> supported by their ability to suck resources from the hive ... and 
>> our abetting that parasitic relationship.
>>
>> On 2/8/22 09:00, Steve Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> As an amateur complexicist, I am a fan of multi-scale systems.... so 
>>> I look forward to systems like yours not being scaled (only) to 
>>> mega-industry.  I wonder at how far out the existing distribution 
>>> chain you can push compressed air practically?  I doubt there are 
>>> (m)any mechanics or private homes, for example, who could give up 
>>> their NG feed (heat mostly) for compressed air, even if the upstream 
>>> distribution were converting.   The new(ish) DC-powered residential 
>>> scale mini-split heat-pumps would seem to operate well off of any 
>>> mechanical energy source (not just PWM modulated variable speed DC
>>> motors) and the decompressed chilled air from the air-motor would go 
>>> right into boosting the efficiency rather than being yet another 
>>> source of waste heat.  Not a perpetual motion machine, just a system 
>>> where some of the intrinsic inefficiencies are exploited/recovered 
>>> elegantly?
>>>
>>> The big win seems obviously to be the major NG pipelines and 
>>> existing electric generation stations.  I can't tell from your 
>>> literature if converting existing NG turbines to compressed air is 
>>> even reasonable... seems like this is probably why CAES is burning 
>>> NG to bring the charge up to the performance scale of existing 
>>> turbine designs?    I believe that many of these plants were 
>>> designed/modified to be "peaking" plants which it seems your tech is 
>>> ideal for...   let the
>>
>>
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