[FRIAM] by any means necessary
Marcus Daniels
marcus at snoutfarm.com
Mon Feb 14 13:27:19 EST 2022
There are competitors that already have approved clinical trials.
https://synchron.com/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-28/elon-musk-neuralink-competitor-announces-fda-trial-for-brain-device
A passive approach might be better for a start-up, if for no other reason than to avoid all the possible litigation.
https://www.soneramagnetics.com/
https://www.kernel.com
It's not hard to see why a company like Neuralink would hold their cards close. Of course, there will be bad outcomes during development. And there may be no real way to put it in perspective. Like Fauci and the beagles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/11/19/fauci-beagle-white-coat-waste/
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Oh, they're definitely activists. The question is one of how easy a target is Neuralink? One of the reasons actual medical research facilities aren't successfully targeted by influence campaigns is because they do the actual work to treat animals as well as they can be given their role as means to an end. If Neuralink is just a shitty place doing shitty research, then they put us all at risk. Those of us who do believe in their supposed mission need to forcefully correct their stupidity as soon as possible regardless of the activist motivations behind the canary in the coal mine.
On 2/14/22 09:59, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It's also possible that the PCRM is being activist: The idea of it is horrible to them, and that's the smoke. Where there's smoke there must be fire.
> Imagine how the anti-vaxxers will react when talk of robots stitching threads into their brain starts.
>
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> Animal-rights group says monkeys used in experiments for Elon Musk's Neuralink were subjected to 'extreme suffering'
> https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-neuralink-experiments-monkeys-extreme-suffering-animal-rights-group-2022-2
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> Elon Musk’s Neuralink allegedly subjected monkeys to ‘extreme suffering’
> https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/elon-musks-neuralink-allegedly-subjected-monkeys-to-extreme-suffering/
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> I've never quite settled out to a strong opinion on animal research. Since I'm mostly consequentialist, the *actual* ends [⛧] tend to rule out in my mind. But cause doesn't come in pure chains. It's a mesh, at best, an unquantifiable fractal at worst. So the means to the end are never merely means, they're always ends, in themselves. Utilitarians tend to abstract out seeming "no-ops" or "don't-cares", as if there were, in actuality, epiphenomena. But there are no such things. If that makes me a Vico-ist, that's fine. How you treat the animals is not merely a social side interest. It's a core part of good science and good engineering ... like keeping a good notebook.
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> Musk is (now) a huckster, exploiting the good will and childish optimism of dorks everywhere.
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> [⛧] By "actual", I don't mean whatever ends the actors have in mind when they launch the action mesh, but the outcome over time. Of course, that's fraught and requires some scholarship and ability to track the mesh as it unfolds. But one does the best they can. Whatever brainfarts some moron like Musk has in his mind prior to launch is largely irrelevant. We're all fans of scifi. The trick is being able to distinguish fact from fantasy.
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glen
When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.
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