[FRIAM] sanctions schmanctions

[Steve Smith]

On 2/25/22 7:33 AM, glen wrote:
> I guess I spoke too soon:
>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/anonymous-attacks-russia-ukraine-invasion-rt-ddos-b2023177.html 
>
I am still unclear about how self-organized/appointed dis-organizations 
like Anonymous can actually work.  I don't mean that critically as much 
as hopefully.  I am trying to understand how emergent distributed 
collectives self-organize enough to exist, much less achieve 
(transitory) homeostasis.  It is fascinating in the abstract as well as 
in the specifics of space-time events such as this article references.   
I'd love to hear more reflection/discussion, even speculation about this.
>
> rt.com was down around 3am. But it's back, now, with a fresh story 
> about he "denazification" of Ukraine. [sigh]
>
> https://www.rt.com/russia/550617-response-to-negotiations-ukraine/
It looks like they are down now, or at least very askew.  I get some 
crufty bits in my browser (but without inspecting the 
html/javascript/css source, which I am ill-equipped and in any case 
loathe to do) and take it to mean there is significant interference 
afoot (more like direct server hack or Man in the Middle than DDOS).
>
> Of course, is it fake news that our agent in Ukraine may have helped 
> "nazify" them?
> https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/25/basic-notes-on-victoria-fuck-the-eu-nuland/ 
>
I've not read much from/by/about CounterPunch but they are part of one 
of the tangled webs I feel you must live in, because so often when you 
offer us a nice cozy-looking warren, we find it is twisty-turny passages 
all the way down (into a looking glass wonderland?).   Again, not to 
criticize... I assume this means *you* have the capacity to go further, 
dig deeper, deconvolute the convolutions than I (apparently) do.   The 
only thing I can summarize from reading this article is a reminder that 
"my enemy's enemy is not my friend".
>
> I'm too ignorant to tease it all apart.
Re: my last paragraph.   Your depth seems to exceed mine by more than a 
little, but I *do* appreciate your willingness to tease these things 
apart (not just tease us with them) in front of us as much as you do 
(try).   It is often frustrating and unsatisfying, but that, I think, is 
the nature of the beast, not attributable to the messenger.
> But it doesn't really matter why Putin's doing what he's doing ... 
> like our silly "mens rea" principle. What matters is the killing, not 
> the intentions of the killer.

As I contemplate the sensing/modeling/action cycle and try to fit it 
into some abstraction of consciousness, I think we absolutely *must* 
take into the intentions of the killer.  That is not to say that we 
should conflate excuses with reasons and vice-versa, or that in some 
ethical sense we (always?) give a pass to "innocent" mistakes, yet it 
seems dys-functional to not factor in the (apparent) black-box logic of 
an adversary/co-conspirator.

I have been planning a European trip in spite of Greta and Fauci's 
shrill admonitions, but with Putin's swagger, perhaps I will put it off 
a bit longer.   After all, it seems that container-ship-sailing (my 
ideation of the least impactful of commercial modes of ocean-crossings) 
may be a thing of the past (between COVID and port-backups).

"interesting times" indeed.   I've reported here before on Gibson's 
(semi) recent (and impending) Jackpot Trilogy and my fascination with 
his (nicely unspecified) conception of "The Jackpot" but recently 
discovered a small group of shared-world authors, organized by John 
Scalzi whose shared-world is a 2030ish post-collapse world which very 
nicely (IMO) lampoons/implicates both neoCon and neoLibs alike with 
enough of my own techno-luddite-green-spectra ideations.   A key linkage 
to "Jackpot" is that they use the phrases "soft collapse" and "soft 
recovery" in a way that complements the (more usual) short-sharp-shock 
collapses of Apocalyptic fiction.

Jumble,

  - Steve

PS.  I recently heard the term "Q Cucks Klan" for the first time... it 
seems so acutely pointed and lampoony and "right on" that I would surely 
remember it if I'd heard it before.   On the Q-anon backstory, I wonder 
how many others here have held Q or other Gov clearances and how their 
experience with that supports/denies  the attributions folks give to Q 
his/herself?

>
> On 2/24/22 10:24, glen wrote:
>> Where is Anonymous? 
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