[FRIAM] self-care

Tue Jul 12 16:23:24 EDT 2022

Yeah, your story of Wikipedia edits dovetails nicely with the announcement of Griffith's sentence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiScanner

But it still seems incomprehensible that anyone would really consider the US *or* the Indian governments monoliths capable of something akin to "hypocrisy". Even in severely autocratic regimes like Putin's, there's always the question of if/how/when the autocrat's nearby people or institutions are influencing the course of the nation.

But I suppose the same thing could be said of "toxic" substances. Of course abortifacients are toxic! That's why they work after all. I was on a 6 month treatment of a very explicitly cytotoxic "medication" and for 3 years on a drug that would trigger apoptosis in any cell exhibiting a particular receptor. To purposefully avoid discussing when/where/how/if such things are *useful* and focus on their toxicity is disingenuous.

On 7/12/22 13:02, Sarbajit Roy wrote:
> Hi Glen and Nick
> 
> Seen from New Delhi (India), a distance of 8,000 miles, the US of A appears as a monolithic ("One nation under a Christian God") capitalist nation regardless of which of your 2 interchangeable parties are in power in Washington. For us Trump is the same as Biden, Farid Zakaria is no different from Tucker Carlson.
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> In so far as the Guttmacher dispute is concerned, organisations I am connected to have an ongoing dispute with Wikipedia since 2013, and they noticed the contributions of this Wikipedia account [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/LPSingh <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/LPSingh>] were strangely suspicious and were promoting drug based self induced "home" abortions in India in violation of India's law. Because the account claims to be medical student in a top medical government college of India and also a specialist in abortions, one of our team members tried to alert the Wikipedia community [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MalluMalleus&oldid=806327897 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MalluMalleus&oldid=806327897>] but instead ended up getting blocked at Wikipedia.
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> We then confirmed under Freedom of Information that no such student ever existed at the KEM College and our complaints to the Federal Health Ministry of India also unearthed the Guttmacher Foundation connections (sock-puppetry) and our Govt took some positive actions (albeit only temporarily till their top officers were suitably bribed) against the foundation's activities in India.
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> We can say many things about Guttmacher, but this other article says quite a bit of it already [https://prismreports.org/2021/12/06/guttmacher-institute-staff-say-a-toxic-work-culture-has-the-reproductive-rights-research-giant-in-a-death-spiral/ <https://prismreports.org/2021/12/06/guttmacher-institute-staff-say-a-toxic-work-culture-has-the-reproductive-rights-research-giant-in-a-death-spiral/>]
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> Sarbajit
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> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 12:23 AM glen <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     What's a bit bizarre about Sarbajit's accusation of hypocrisy is the overwhelming diversity of US Government components. It would make sense to accuse a single agency, say, the FDA of something like hypocrisy. But even there, we have different regimes ran by different people and there's a turnover of individuals within the affiliated organizations.
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>     I suppose this is the heart of the "stare decisis" arguments against willy-nilly overturning "precedent" and cross administration changes like Trump rejecting the nuclear deal with Iran. It reminds me of the Citizens United ruling and the false equivalence between national debt/deficit and household debt.
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>     Can a materially open thing like a (somewhat) representative government be *hypocritical*? What is hypocrisy, really?
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>     On 7/3/22 18:23, thompnickson2 at gmail.com <mailto:thompnickson2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>      > Sarbajit,
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>      > Could you post materials on the Guttmacher dispute and the science behind it?
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>      > I am guessing that this is all new to us.
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>      > As to hypocrisy, the term is only appropriate to a unified system, usually a person.  But perhaps the metaphor works the other way around.  Perhaps people are just badly integrated systems, hence sin in all its form, deception, hypocrisy, loving thy neighbor too well, and all of that!  So instead of saying that governments are sort of like people, we might say that people are sort of like governments.
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>      > Nick Thompson
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>      > ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com> <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com <mailto:ThompNickSon2 at gmail.com>>
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>      > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>>
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>      > *From:* Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com <mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy
>      > *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 2:57 AM
>      > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com <mailto:friam at redfish.com>>
>      > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] self-care
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>      > The hypocrisy of the US govts is amazing.
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>      > For decades they have been desperately promoting pill based self induced abortions as "safe" abortions in India and Latin America through their puppets like the Guttmacher Institiute and by using misrepresentations and outright lies.
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>      > These pills are highly toxic / carcinogenic and Guttmacher was caught red handed by us for using fake accounts on Wikipedia to shape the "self induced abortion" article to depict it as safe and as an at-home remedy. We got Guttmacher delisted in India for about a year, but they made their way back through the USAID RMNCHA programs used to bribe foreign government servants to shape policy
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>      > Sarbajit
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>      > On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 8:52 PM glen <gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com> <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com <mailto:gepropella at gmail.com>>> wrote:
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>      >     In the aftermath of the activist Justices overturning RvW, this popped up in my feed:
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>      >     How to Give Yourself an Abortion
>      > https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion <https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion> <https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion <https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion>>
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>      >     I remain torn on the issue of self-care. And lots of energy was added to my oscillators with the whole "horse dewormer" thing for COVID-19. (Yes, I'm poking fun both at the people who bought veterinary ivermectin and the people who used the disgusting sneer "horse dewormer".) To boot, this post came up this morning about a homeopathic packet sent home with the patient after surgery: https://centerforinquiry.salsalabs.org/2022cfimidyearemailversion11 <https://centerforinquiry.salsalabs.org/2022cfimidyearemailversion11> <https://centerforinquiry.salsalabs.org/2022cfimidyearemailversion11 <https://centerforinquiry.salsalabs.org/2022cfimidyearemailversion11>>. (Placebo is a thing, despite Blumner's write-off.)
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>      >     Nick is fond of asking people whether they take multivitamins or not. And while it's true most experts claim that *healthy* people just pee them out. *Who* amongst us actually qualifies as "healthy"? What does "health" even mean? That's not an idle or rhetorical question. Am I "healthy", despite the excruciating chronic pain in my shoulders, neck, and lower back? Despite my sporadic debilitating migraines? Despite my now abated follicular lymphoma? Sure, I *seem* healthy because I can do pull-ups, shovel dirt, drink 5 pints without a hangover, and maintain a full-time job with a bit of time for hobbies. But what you see from the outside doesn't reflect what I feel on the inside, which is like a sick puppy where the slightest bad event would topple me into the "disabled" category. "Healthy" is at best a misinformation concept, at worst a malinformation concept: https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mdm-incident-response-guide_508.pdf
>     <https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mdm-incident-response-guide_508.pdf>
>      >     <https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mdm-incident-response-guide_508.pdf <https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mdm-incident-response-guide_508.pdf>>
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>      >     Sneer all you want at the new-age descendant reading self-help books, cutting out magazine ads for their "vision board", or self-administering veterinary de-fetus pills, but there's something important, here. Fad diets, bottled water, alcoholism or pregnancy as an indicator for moral failure, etc. all point at that thing, whatever that thing is.
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>      >     In that context, self-administered abortion is legit.

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