[FRIAM] Fwd: Holtec in NM .... sacrifice zone

[Marcus Daniels]

I’m glad to see that Mr. Shirley from their leadership team has extensive bible training!   😊

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Is the Holtec facility viable for long term storage?

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com<mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Smith
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Merle -

Despite 3 decades inside the belly of the LANL/DOE/NNSA beast and an apologist for MAD at least up until the fall of the Soviet Union I am no fan of Nuclear Power (much less Weapons).  Two of my close neighbors are veterans of the LANL nuclear-waste-disposal industry and *are* apologists/proponents for that whole business model, but transparently (to me) based on the way their bread was (and still is) buttered by all of that.   They are otherwise pretty good, positive, hopeful people (as we first worlders go) but have a blind spot the size of that buttered bread that means we have no substantially meaningful conversations in that area.

Holtec and the state/national politics of NIMB are yet another tragedy of our failed experiments of representative democracy, and manic hypercapitalism.  I do NOT hold utopian hypersocialist or hypercommunist fantasies, nor have any interest in promoting the myth of the "benign dictator" either, and am discouraged by how the tug-of-war between parties and the ideologies they espouse "tramples the grass" (to mis-quote Glen's inverted signature line).

Spending 2 months traveling/hanging in northern Europe, trying to suss out how different *that* manic hypercapitalist suite of representative democracies/societies function (nation by nation, subculture by subculture, and the EU Federation at-large) with the added parallax of Brexit and Russia's War on Ukraine and NATO/West's War on Russia's economy, I am at least mildly hopeless that we (the collective industrialized West/humanity-at-large) are on any path to resolution of the looming existential threats that are auto-generated by our short-sighted excesses.  At least not in the modes (primarily political) we are pursuing.

Anyone here read(ing) Feffer's Splinterlands<https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/28818724>?

Your organized (global existential threats) meeting in Stockholm in 2019 gave me some new insight and hope in this regard... recently my re-readings of Bateson... some posts here, and a deeper dive into Terrence Deacon have been a good distraction if not a hint of an exit ramp from the blunt hopelessness that too much staring at a problem can yield.

BTW, I did find the OP in your thread's use of Instagram disingenous in the way Glen often points out that we oldsters often completely miss the "appropriate use" of different technologies.  I'm sure her intentions were good, trying to expand the audience for the message or avoid various (self/other) censoring by platform/channel?  But I personally restrict my use of Instagram to "photoblogging" with text and especially politically oriented content extremely limited (e.g. I let BLM into my stream for a day).  Among those who fled FB because of it's rampant politicization, I find many who went to IG to have turned around and re-injected the same energy.  As (???  Kempis/Berra/kabat-zinn/watts/??)  famously said, "no matter where you go, there you are"?



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- Steve

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