[FRIAM] AI possibilities

Prof David West profwest at fastmail.fm
Thu Apr 6 13:19:49 EDT 2023

I am certain that AIs can generate music, probably in the style of famous composers. I just have not seen such examples in the frenzy of "guess what ChatAIs just did."

My point focused on the possibility of "collaborative creation" ala pair programmers, jazz musicians,  improv comedians, etc. While I think "something" occurs and or is central to such efforts that is lacking from interactive conversations like those noted in the press, by Steve on this list, or even famous "dialogic" collaborations like Rogers and Hammerstein or the sci-fi co-authorship of Pohl and Kornbluth. But it might just be my imagination or some kind of hidden essentialism.

BTW: what was the first instance of computer generated music, and where are you most likely to have heard it?


On Thu, Apr 6, 2023, at 9:13 AM, glen wrote:
> Off the top of my head, I can see 3 ways to get music out of the 
> current chat interfaces:
> 1) algorithmic music - E.g. C programs like this:
> #include <stdio.h>
> int main(int t) {for (t=0;;t++) putchar((((int)(t/12)>>8&t) - (t<<4)) & 
> (((int)(t/6)>>6&t) + (t<<2)));}
> The code I've gotten out of ChatGPT has been irritating. But I've never 
> asked it to write something like that. Or maybe something in PureData 
> or Common Lisp Music. Given the above program as a prompt, Bard gave me 
> a slightly different one and confidently proclaimed that it was in a 
> different key with some extra notes. But it's actually just a *fuzz* 
> version of mine ... which even though Bard's gaslighting me, it's still 
> a cool tune. 8^D
> 2) Time series. If you ask Bard to tell you what the next number in 
> this sequence is, it'll tell you: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34. If I 
> get the chance later, maybe I'll runs some other sequences by it and 
> see what it can tell me. But there's no reason a next-token-predictor 
> shouldn't be able to generate music straight out of the gate.
> 3) Notes as tokens, rather than signals/numbers as tokens. I'm sure 
> such exists. But the closest I've come is 
> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/musicxml40/ I don't see any reason why these 
> machines couldn't compose MusicXML in the same way they can compose 
> source code.
> On 4/5/23 22:15, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> Yes, if a large language model is trained on all works of Mozart and contemporary artists like Haydn, it should be able to create a new piece of music which sounds almost like Mozart. Finally we can listen to Mozart's lost 28th piano concerto or Beethoven's missing 33th piano sonata o_O
>> -J.
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
>> Date: 4/5/23 1:55 AM (GMT+01:00)
>> To: friam at redfish.com
>> Subject: [FRIAM] AI possibilities
>> Based on the flood of stories about ChatAI, it appears:
>>    - they can 'do' math and 'reason' scientificdally
>>    - they can generate essays, term papers, etc.
>>    - they can engage in convincing dialog/conversations
>>      - as "therapists"
>>      - as "girlfriends" (I haven't seen any stories about women falling in love with their AI)
>>      - as kinksters
>>    - they can write code
>> The writing code ability immediately made me wonder if, given a database of music instead of text, they could write music?
>> The dialog /conversation ability makes me wonder about more real-time collaborative interaction, improv acting / comedy? Or, pair programming? The real-time aspect is critical to my question, as I believe there is something qualitatively different between two people doing improv or pair programming than simply engaging in dialog. I think I could make a much stronger argument in the case of improv music, especially jazz, but AIs aren't doing that yet.
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