[FRIAM] keep getting mice.

Tue Jan 3 17:41:19 EST 2023

I think my aunts friend had one for a while. Aunt couldn't go to the house
after sometime because they're infamous for a musky, and generally strange
BO. My cat was awful about playing with what ever he was hunting! Turned
out he was a birder more so than a mouse cat. Partiall proven because he'd
happly snake my baked chicken for dinner if I didn't watch him. He also
would try to catch birds chasing a cat and birdS out of a house, and the
casita? about how I imagine it's like to caclulate and derive  orbital
dynamics by hand.
LOL and he also tried to catch a lil baby bat while ma'n pa where teaching
JR how to get bugs.JR found a rafter in the casita Imagine calling animal
control at 6 am with: uh yeah I have some bats in my house, and my cat
keeps trying to hunt them.
I'm pretty bad about just yeeting the trap into the trash. with everything
in it. while going: ew ewewewew Fuuuudge!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 3:21 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

> Gil -
>
> Ferrets can be very unpleasant to smell...  I had a stepdaughter who kept
> two (along with a half-dozen cats and gawd knows what other pet-hoarding my
> mind has blanked on over 30 years ago).   They also are totally nocturnal
> and will romp *all night*, especially if there are more than one (or have a
> cat or a dog to harass/play with).   I'm sure ferrets (if they get outside)
> are hell on birds (especially eggs?), housecats (if they get outside) can
> be pretty bad too.   I think Ferrets will consume their prey unlike cats
> who will play with them for hours and hours and then bring at least a
> partial carcass to you as a gift.  Snakes even more better at
> full-consumption,  I understand they can defer defecation until 99% is
> digested?...
>
> I'm too frugal to throw kill-traps away, but you could follow Tom's advice
> and I'd bet by the time you threw a dozen traps (with head-crushed mice in
> them) into the trash, you might be done with them (for this season)... or a
> handful of kill traps re-used nightly might rid you over a week's time.   I
> don't know how territorial they are but I get the feeling that I never have
> more than *one* family in my house when they do infiltrate...  but their
> reproduction rate is pretty extreme and one family can become dozens in a
> short time.
>
>
> On 1/3/23 2:47 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
> Steve, those are all great tips. I'll run a fine tooth come through the
> house. Their's this area by the coffee maker at the front they try to hide
> in as well as I think somehow behind a rubermaid recycle bin. lol a ferret?
> not a bad idea. Kim swears by his pet cat for keeping mice out. LOL one of
> my doctors tells me how his pet beagle  chases mice around. I guess the
> pooch also OCD's on anything not Human and barks or tries to hunt them.
> I've read tht ferrets can make preem pets, as long as you can keep them
> from getting bored. I think Santa Fe isn't fond of people having them
> forpets something about birds.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:18 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gil -
>>
>>  To misquote Leonard Cohen: "There is a crack in everything, that is how
>> the mice get in".
>>
>> I have lived with mouse-flux all of my time in my current (rural)property
>> 20 years).  The mice (and ground squirrels and packrats) in the environs
>> require that I remain vigilant to keep them living outside my home.   This
>> has involved a lot of care around making sure that doors fit (and close)
>> tight and that any wall-penetrations (dryer vent, etc) be well
>> managed/screened, etc.
>>
>> Virtually *every* Fall I recognize that one or more mice have taken up
>> residence in some nook or cranny inside my house...  evidenced primarily by
>> foodstuffs nibbled on my counter and of course "droppings".  Sometimes the
>> sight or sound of scurrying.   If I trap these invaders quickly enough I
>> don't have a whole family (or several) and even worse, multiple generations
>> take up residence.   I've been a vegetarian most of my life but I still
>> would stoop to kill-traps to stop this business right away.  When Mary
>> moved here (5 years ago now) her (yet) softer heart lead me to buy a decent
>> no-kill trap which was limited to a single-catch per night nominally.   It
>> still worked.   Equally important for me has been to have a live
>> mousing-cat in the house... even though I've never had one catch/kill more
>> than one or two in a season, I think the presence and threat helps to
>> reduce the number of mice willing to force their way in when the
>> opportunity is found... I don't know if any voluntarily move back out once
>> they realize what they are facing.
>>
>> Last winter I finally buttoned up a sunroom I'd had 90% finished for
>> years... this included replacing the raw adobe floor with a clay-plaster
>> finish, sealed with walnut/citrus oil.   The adobe floor (and cement
>> bancos, etc) could absorb/hide a lot of mouse-droppings/activity that the
>> new surfaces patently just enhanced... so the flux of mice in my sunroom
>> was mostly ignorable/tolerable or in any case too hard to try to
>> eliminate.   With the new finish it was just the opposite, and
>> thoughtlessly, the walnut-oil surface in the process of (many months long)
>> curing fully was a terrible attractive nuisance.    I think the little
>> buggers thought it was a buffet laid just for them.  We had evidence of
>> quite a few mice living in there and even when we were catching and
>> expelling one per night, there was a never ending supply.   There were
>> nominally *no* holes for them to get in, but if you've seen my construction
>> techniques you might not be surprised to find that I actually *did* have a
>> few *hidden* weak spots where they might have entered.   Our 20 year old
>> cat had gone blind the Fall before (quite gracefully) and finally passed
>> away on her own that winter... so no more mouser or even the whiff of a
>> threat of a mouser in the house.
>>
>>  We then went away for 2 months with several different house-sitters in
>> the house who had not instruction nor reason to try to keep up with the
>> mouse flux.  Besides, I was used to mouse-infestation being entirely a
>> winter-time phenomena.   When we returned mid-summer I sat in the living
>> room with the final house-sitter who was scheduled to leave the next day
>> and I sequentially set, caught/released 6 mice in the space of a couple of
>> hours.   The trap was just outside the room we were sitting in and I could
>> see the little buggers playing chase on the floors, bancos, furniture as
>> well as dancing over the top of the trap and teasing their way in and out
>> of the trap before finally springing it.   I went on to catch several each
>> evening (at twilight and beyond) until we were down to rarely seeing more
>> than two chasing through the room... and catching one per night.   Hole
>> after potential hole was plugged during this time.   And yet they keep
>> coming.   There is a chance these are recycling, we haven't gone to the
>> effort of notching their ears or painting their tails or anything.   My
>> experience in this environment is that there will always be dozens
>> (hundreds) of field mice aspiring to become house-mice... so killing (or
>> hauling far away) the ones we catch probably doesn't change that much.   I
>> now wish I hadn't moved the three bullsnakes I caught eating eggs in our
>> chicken coop across the rio grande, but invited them to live in the
>> sunroom... I think they are better (yet) mousers than a cat.
>>
>> We now have a fresh mouser who doesn't have continuous free access to the
>> sunroom (lest the buggers re-invade the house proper) but who does spend
>> time out there stalking the hell out of every nook and cranny... she hasn't
>> caught any yet (though she did help catch a few who had gotten into the
>> house before we could trap them).
>>
>> My best recommendation is to eliminate any food-attractive-nuisances
>> (refrigerator, cupboard, animal-tight containers, etc), make sure you have
>> no known extgerior wall-penetrations (even the tiniest cracks they seem to
>> squeeze through) and then go on a trapping frenzy...  clean up any trace of
>> mice ASAP so that you *know* if you have any left as you trap them down to
>> near zero.   And I recommend a housecat (or two), though I know some do not
>> like keeping cats.  Maybe a ferret or a schnauzer?  My best ever
>> Gopher-Getter was a weimerainer who would sit for hours at the entrance to
>> a gopher burrow just to grab one... if allowed, she might have cleaned them
>> entirely out of the yard.   We limited her time OCDing out in front of
>> gopher holes... it was hard to watch.
>>
>> Or maybe a bullsnake (or one of many other rodent-eating varieties)?
>> On 1/3/23 11:52 AM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I buy traps from Amazon a couple dozen at a time.
>>
>> =======================
>> Tom Johnson
>> Inst. for Analytic Journalism
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico
>> 505-577-6482
>> =======================
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 10:45 AM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another surge of mice Q: For all of Dismember  i've had nothing but an
>>> ongoing trickle of mice. what the is going on here? Is anyone else having
>>> mice issues as well?
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