[FRIAM] keep getting mice.

Gillian Densmore gil.densmore at gmail.com
Tue Jan 3 17:46:12 EST 2023 

LOL yes it is! Isn't santa fe (well NM)'s government fixing to go to just
daylight savings? lol all these are better than what one of GFs fam would
do. Something about cast iron skillets and chasing the mice with a rolling
pin. I didn't want to know if that was to be the end of the mice, or just
scare them so bad they decided to leave. I'm not fond of the jumpscare mice
give. But does seem like a lot of work to run around after them to.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 3:41 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:

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>
> On 1/3/23 2:47 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
>
> My parents use sticky traps. You need a cold heart to kill them when you
> find them stuck to the trap. It's hard to do when they are looking at you
> with their tiny sad eyes and all you can imagine is their nest of tiny
> younglings hidden somewhere in your wall. Also, sticky traps will catch
> other animals including your house cleaner.
> I support you getting a bull snake too. That sounds like an adventure.
>
>
> We tried various "fall in a plastic bucket" methods for our sunroom and
> none really worked.  I have nocturnal camera shots of these guys hanging by
> one toe, stretching out nearly 6 inches to lick every bit of peanut butter
> off of a roller-thingy that was supposed to log-roll them into the
> bucket.   We did catch a few younger/smaller ones that way, but not the
> endless hoards we expected (based on Youtube videos of other's
> experience).
>
> We also didn't have the heartlessness to put water in the bottom of the
> bucket (drowning) and have some evidence that the larger ones were maybe
> able to jump/scramble out once they fell in...  a sad method I knew of
> growing up was effectively a poisoning method that didn't propagate toxins
> into the environment... the method was to put a small dish of water
> *inside* of a tray (pie tin?)  of raw cement... the mice would then walk
> through the cement to get the water (and back out) but would then lick
> their paws clean, ultimately impacting their guts with hardened cement.   A
> disturbing way to die...  but at least cement-impacted guts aren't
> something that cats/owls/snakes would then be poisoned by like the more
> conventional "poisons" do.   I suppose there is a risk that pet might do
> the same thing, but I think the amount of cement they might ingest might
> not be more than a minor annoyance?
>
> Mouse-flux is at least as annoying as Daylight Savings time changes...
> but a source of endless discussion nevertheless!
>
>
>
>
> _ Cody Smith _
> cody at simtable.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:18 PM Steve Smith <sasmyth at swcp.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Gil -
>>
>>  To misquote Leonard Cohen: "There is a crack in everything, that is how
>> the mice get in".
>>
>> I have lived with mouse-flux all of my time in my current (rural)property
>> 20 years).  The mice (and ground squirrels and packrats) in the environs
>> require that I remain vigilant to keep them living outside my home.   This
>> has involved a lot of care around making sure that doors fit (and close)
>> tight and that any wall-penetrations (dryer vent, etc) be well
>> managed/screened, etc.
>>
>> Virtually *every* Fall I recognize that one or more mice have taken up
>> residence in some nook or cranny inside my house...  evidenced primarily by
>> foodstuffs nibbled on my counter and of course "droppings".  Sometimes the
>> sight or sound of scurrying.   If I trap these invaders quickly enough I
>> don't have a whole family (or several) and even worse, multiple generations
>> take up residence.   I've been a vegetarian most of my life but I still
>> would stoop to kill-traps to stop this business right away.  When Mary
>> moved here (5 years ago now) her (yet) softer heart lead me to buy a decent
>> no-kill trap which was limited to a single-catch per night nominally.   It
>> still worked.   Equally important for me has been to have a live
>> mousing-cat in the house... even though I've never had one catch/kill more
>> than one or two in a season, I think the presence and threat helps to
>> reduce the number of mice willing to force their way in when the
>> opportunity is found... I don't know if any voluntarily move back out once
>> they realize what they are facing.
>>
>> Last winter I finally buttoned up a sunroom I'd had 90% finished for
>> years... this included replacing the raw adobe floor with a clay-plaster
>> finish, sealed with walnut/citrus oil.   The adobe floor (and cement
>> bancos, etc) could absorb/hide a lot of mouse-droppings/activity that the
>> new surfaces patently just enhanced... so the flux of mice in my sunroom
>> was mostly ignorable/tolerable or in any case too hard to try to
>> eliminate.   With the new finish it was just the opposite, and
>> thoughtlessly, the walnut-oil surface in the process of (many months long)
>> curing fully was a terrible attractive nuisance.    I think the little
>> buggers thought it was a buffet laid just for them.  We had evidence of
>> quite a few mice living in there and even when we were catching and
>> expelling one per night, there was a never ending supply.   There were
>> nominally *no* holes for them to get in, but if you've seen my construction
>> techniques you might not be surprised to find that I actually *did* have a
>> few *hidden* weak spots where they might have entered.   Our 20 year old
>> cat had gone blind the Fall before (quite gracefully) and finally passed
>> away on her own that winter... so no more mouser or even the whiff of a
>> threat of a mouser in the house.
>>
>>  We then went away for 2 months with several different house-sitters in
>> the house who had not instruction nor reason to try to keep up with the
>> mouse flux.  Besides, I was used to mouse-infestation being entirely a
>> winter-time phenomena.   When we returned mid-summer I sat in the living
>> room with the final house-sitter who was scheduled to leave the next day
>> and I sequentially set, caught/released 6 mice in the space of a couple of
>> hours.   The trap was just outside the room we were sitting in and I could
>> see the little buggers playing chase on the floors, bancos, furniture as
>> well as dancing over the top of the trap and teasing their way in and out
>> of the trap before finally springing it.   I went on to catch several each
>> evening (at twilight and beyond) until we were down to rarely seeing more
>> than two chasing through the room... and catching one per night.   Hole
>> after potential hole was plugged during this time.   And yet they keep
>> coming.   There is a chance these are recycling, we haven't gone to the
>> effort of notching their ears or painting their tails or anything.   My
>> experience in this environment is that there will always be dozens
>> (hundreds) of field mice aspiring to become house-mice... so killing (or
>> hauling far away) the ones we catch probably doesn't change that much.   I
>> now wish I hadn't moved the three bullsnakes I caught eating eggs in our
>> chicken coop across the rio grande, but invited them to live in the
>> sunroom... I think they are better (yet) mousers than a cat.
>>
>> We now have a fresh mouser who doesn't have continuous free access to the
>> sunroom (lest the buggers re-invade the house proper) but who does spend
>> time out there stalking the hell out of every nook and cranny... she hasn't
>> caught any yet (though she did help catch a few who had gotten into the
>> house before we could trap them).
>>
>> My best recommendation is to eliminate any food-attractive-nuisances
>> (refrigerator, cupboard, animal-tight containers, etc), make sure you have
>> no known extgerior wall-penetrations (even the tiniest cracks they seem to
>> squeeze through) and then go on a trapping frenzy...  clean up any trace of
>> mice ASAP so that you *know* if you have any left as you trap them down to
>> near zero.   And I recommend a housecat (or two), though I know some do not
>> like keeping cats.  Maybe a ferret or a schnauzer?  My best ever
>> Gopher-Getter was a weimerainer who would sit for hours at the entrance to
>> a gopher burrow just to grab one... if allowed, she might have cleaned them
>> entirely out of the yard.   We limited her time OCDing out in front of
>> gopher holes... it was hard to watch.
>>
>> Or maybe a bullsnake (or one of many other rodent-eating varieties)?
>> On 1/3/23 11:52 AM, Tom Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I buy traps from Amazon a couple dozen at a time.
>>
>> =======================
>> Tom Johnson
>> Inst. for Analytic Journalism
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico
>> 505-577-6482
>> =======================
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 10:45 AM Gillian Densmore <gil.densmore at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another surge of mice Q: For all of Dismember  i've had nothing but an
>>> ongoing trickle of mice. what the is going on here? Is anyone else having
>>> mice issues as well?
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