[FRIAM] AI Musings

Fri Mar 31 23:16:48 EDT 2023

While I think that AI could soon handle the managerial part of a CEO's job,
they may have trouble playing golf. It might not matter if the stock is
going up.
I am very ignorant about what CEO's do 'though.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 5:33 PM Grant Holland <grant.holland.sf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So what do you think? Are CEOs, CFOs etc. and corporate board members at
> any medium or short-term risk of losing their jobs to machine learning? I
> like to hear some opinions on this.
>
> Thx,
> Grant
>
> > On Mar 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote CxO not QxO. Google quickly
> > enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the noise.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz <gary at naturesvisualarts.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I must admit my ignorance here, not aided in the least by a cursory
> >> Google search: What is QxO?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant Holland
> >> <grant.holland.sf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Frank,
> >>>
> >>> I'm wondering why no-one seems to raise the specter that AI could
> start replacing management personnel. And I’m including CxO’s here; because
> I’m not convinced that CxO-ing is rocket science or quantum mechanics.
> Think of the billions saved. After all, if machine learning cannot get good
> at making better decisions than humans, and constantly improving at it, I
> would be very surprised.
> >>>
> >>> Grant
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close
> colleague of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI to replace a
> college professor than a bulldozer operator" or words tho that effect.
> >>>
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Frank C. Wimberly
> >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >>>
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> >>> Santa Fe, NM
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West <profwest at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long after those on
> this list noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit a theme I have
> thought about since Newell, Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist.
> >>>>
> >>>> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word) of human
> intelligence, write a program to emulate it and declare the program
> "intelligent."
> >>>>
> >>>> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of thinking
> exhibited by college professors and scientists. Almost trivial to emulate
> (Newell and Simon programmed Logic Theorist on 3x5 cards before Shaw was
> able to implement on a computer).
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a child—was
> more indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski created NetTalk. that,
> somewhat eerily, produced discoveries of sounds, and errors, and achieved
> near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime and contrast
> them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of course, comprehension
> of what was read did not make the cut.
> >>>>
> >>>> State of the art improved dramatically and the caricatures of human
> intelligence are more sophisticated and the achievements of the programs
> more interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We can program an
> AI (or let one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or better than a
> human pilot—BUT, could even the best of of breed of such an AI pull a
> Shullenberger and land on the Hudson River?
> >>>>
> >>>> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs
> causing massive unemployment is a corollary to the caricaturization of
> human intelligence. Since the Industrial Revolution, and certainly since
> the age of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has been
> dehumanizing.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by a computer
> then it is tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because it can
> perform human work.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my
> profession—college professor—was one at immense risk of replacement. I
> would bet good money that a ChatAI could produce, and maybe deliver,
> lectures far better than any I created in 30 years teaching. And probably
> most, if not all, of the presentations I made at professional conferences
> over the years.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers and books I
> have written are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do as well in
> spontaneious Q&A after a presentation than I.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate to HI, only
> when some aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. This is not
> essentialism, but analogous to the digitization of a sine wave, no matter
> the finite sampling rate, there is always some missing information.
> >>>>
> >>>> davew
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