[FRIAM] Theil
Steve Smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Mon Nov 13 19:57:23 EST 2023
On 11/13/23 12:06 PM, glen wrote:
> You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wmxCX0ppP8n_Tvi9l_yc/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> While Lex's scores are relatively low compared to some of the wackos
> on the list, we are known by association. And many of Lex's guests
> score relatively high.
Fascinating resource, thanks! You are a veritable font (fount) of
things like this that I should probably be able to find for myself.
I had to look a little to find a key to the columns of the table, I
don't know if this is the preferred or only one, but it seemed close
enough to be useful for my purposes:
https://techhenzy.com/gurometer/
I haven't listened to enough of Lex's podcasts (did I mention 1-2 hours
each?!) to be able to evaluate what his "coupling" is with his guests...
even without the GuruMeter I felt that theme ("known by association")
from the more prominent/recent interviewees he has engaged... but my
contingent judgement of the *content* and *style* of the interviews
counterbalanced that almost to an extreme. Which is why I brought it
up here.
Implicit but likely opaque/arcane to your own references to community
(self) policing and ?agonism?, I feel (with limited experience so far)
that Fridman may well provide a regulating role within some community
(of Galaxy-Brain Gurus?)...
I doubt I will get the 'round t'uits but it seems like there is a tensor
product to be explored among these folks and their various interactions
with one another... something interesting might emerge? Maybe this
only occurs to me because Lex is more of a coupling agent than a primary
source of any ideas/theories/positions from what I've seen so far. I
haven't investigated the GuruMeter guys enough to understand their
methods but I take it for granted they are not unserious in this work.
>
> On 11/13/23 10:08, Steve Smith wrote:
>> It seems (maybe only to me?) that "will" is what defines the
>> intersection of memory and imagination? The free-will-less-ness-ers
>> among us (ala Sopolsky
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/oct/24/determined-life-without-free-will-by-robert-sapolsky-review-the-hard-science-of-decisions>)
>> may find this an entirely specious thing to consider or discuss
>> (though without free will, what means "specious" or "discuss" or
>> "consider" sans free-will?).
>>
>> I recently discovered Lex Fridman's podcasts
>> <https://lexfridman.com/podcast/> and was quite surprised by several
>> things (albeit with very limited sampling... all of his most recent
>> interview with Musk and a bit of his interview with Isaacson and
>> about half of the Harari one): I don't significantly disagree with
>> the general mistrust of Musk in his Autistic-ish style and affect,
>> but I'd say that Lex brings out the best in him, showing him to be
>> capable of thoughtful and even empathetic-ish observations. As I
>> understand it (from my reading of Isaacson's biography of Musk)
>> brother Kimball may also be a significantly similar "regulating
>> influence" on Elon. Grimes maybe, maybe not. The other mothers of
>> his children, same-same... probably each and all of them for a period
>> of time or within certain frameworks. And again, same with the
>> children... though maybe projection on my part having been moderately
>> well-regulated in several modes by my own children during each of
>> their phases (right up to their current middle-agedness).
>>
>> As an aside, Fridman's other interviews also all sound potentially
>> fascinating... though I cringe at the fact/thought of interviews with
>> Netanyahu, KanYE, Kushner, Rogan... the commentary I've read
>> around those interviews tends to skew toward "how could you normalize
>> (amplify?) those A**holes by even giving them the time of the
>> day???!!!?". Lex's interviews are definitely long-form (1-2 hours)
>> compared to today's tik-tok/ad-jingle/bumper-sticker/snark-pith
>> calibrated sound-bitery. I find myself avoiding them for this
>> reason (not wanting to commit to listening past some of my own
>> prejudices long enough to hear what they are really about?) but
>> recognize (and have already begun to practice) that as with long-form
>> written journalism, I can take it in bits, like I might eat a rich
>> holiday meal... not try to gulp it down quickly in one sitting like a
>> TV-dinner (for you X-ers, "Hot-Pocket", and Millenials == "??") for
>> the mind.
>>
>> My recent fascination with Deacon's "Teleodynamics", Jeff Hawkins'
>> take on the structure/function of the neocortex and Ian McGilchrist's
>> updated take on brain bicameralism (Master and Emissary
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_and_His_Emissary>) feeds
>> into this question of the intersection of memory and imagination and
>> the implications of Transformer Models and other Generative Models in
>> general. My direct experience with GPT-4 and DALL-E is significant
>> (many 10s of hours of engagement) but still a drop in the bucket.
>> There are times when I feel that all I've done is engaged with an
>> incredibly high-dimensional french-curve/bezier spline and thereby
>> been able to smoothly interpolate/extrapolate a handful of
>> interesting (to me) data points into what feels like a powerful
>> elaboration of what is implied by said curve-fit in the past (unknown
>> knowns?) and future (unknown unknowns)? When I'm not totally
>> enraptured by the (apparent?) novelty (relative to my
>> expectations/predictions) of it's responses I'm generally
>> disappointed at it's limited creativity... and left puzzling over
>> the question of "novelty vs creativity".
>>
>> Bumble,
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> On 11/13/23 10:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> It seems to me that neither Musk and Thiel are interested in the
>>> unknown. They are interested in doing things they can already
>>> imagine. For Musk I thought that was because it is how he raises
>>> money. Now I think he is not imagining consciousness in a, say, a
>>> transporter pattern buffer, he imagines life on the Enterprise
>>> bridge in his body. Rockets are comparatively science fictiony for
>>> people that can't imagine transport without a car, so he gets some
>>> points for that.
>>>> On Nov 13, 2023, at 10:11 AM, glen<gepropella at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There's an interesting parallel between the Stross and Gellman
>>>> pieces: Stross both laments and implicitly appreciates the
>>>> bureaucracy of getting a book published, where Thiel's aggrieved by
>>>> the bureaucracy of societal evolution.
>>>>
>>>> It reminds me of the engineering-vs-biology dichotomy (yes, false,
>>>> like all of them) I came to appreciate after being exposed to
>>>> enough biomimetics (to kill a horse). Some of us see the world and
>>>> think about how to change it, build a better world ... or perhaps
>>>> destroy the world, whatever floats your inner engineer. And some of
>>>> us see the world and are awestruck, hypnotized, baffled by its
>>>> qualities (whether beautiful or horrifying). It's easy to give the
>>>> latter a pass and denigrate the former when confronted with, say,
>>>> butterflies or the Grand Canyon. And it's easy to give the former a
>>>> pass when confronted with poverty and war.
>>>>
>>>> But the next time you're at the DMV or arguing with some poor
>>>> sucker manning the phones at the IRS, it can be useful to remember
>>>> the falseness of the dichtomy. Similarly, when all you want to do
>>>> is sleep under the stars and those damned gnats keep homing into
>>>> your ears, it can be useful to think like an engineer.
>>>>
>>>> Policy and science fiction aren't that far apart.
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/23 13:46, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>>>> original.png
>>>>> Peter Thiel Is Taking a Break From
>>>>> Democracy<https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/peter-thiel-2024-election-politics-investing-life-views/675946/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share>
>>>>> On 11/10/23 11:26, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>>>>> Text of Charlie Stross' talk to Next Frontiers Applied Fiction Day
>>>>> in Stuttgart on Friday November 10th, 2023, concerning where the
>>>>> techno-industrial elite found their horrible philosophies/secular
>>>>> religions.
>>>>> https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2023/11/dont-create-the-torment-nexus.html
>>>>>
>>>> --
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