[FRIAM] differential diagnosis of psychopathic vs spiritual experiences

[steve smith]

I jumped straight to the Artistic meaning of /frottage/ as coined 
originally by Max Ernst and while not as an act of psychopathy, it does 
have strong implications for the psychological/subconscious implications 
in this context?

In any case, I find it a compelling opening line of the /call me 
Ishmael/ caliber.

On 8/5/24 10:04 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> This is very interesting, and timely. I am completing an 
> autobiography/essay/monograph for which this will be quite relevant. 
> The opening lines of the work:
>
> /"An act of frottage triggered the self-recognition that I was a 
> psychopath. I did not, of course, know either term or their meanings./
> /
> /
> /I was six." /
>
> davew
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, at 11:03 AM, glen wrote:
> > Progress or Pathology? Differential Diagnosis and Intervention Criteria
> > for Meditation-Related Challenges: Perspectives From Buddhist
> > Meditation Teachers and Practitioners
> > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7403193/
> >
> > Based on our conversation attempting to identify behavioral markers for
> > consciousness, I thought this paper might give some insight into Dave's
> > straddling of mystical and materialistic descriptions of experiences he
> > marks as conscious. In the paper, they lay out 11 levers for making the
> > distinction:
> >
> > • Circumstances of Onset
> > • Control
> > • Critical Attitude
> > • Cultural Compatibility
> > • Distress
> > • Duration
> > • Functional Impairment
> > • Health History or Condition
> > • Impact
> > • Phenomenological Qualities
> > • Teachers’ Skills or Resources
> >
> >  From my perspective that consciousness is a kind of fusion function,
> > Control, Critical Attitude, Distress, and Functional Impairment are
> > primary and the rest are secondary. The ability to (change one's) focus
> > of attention is a hallmark of consciousness, and those 4 levers
> > direclty target one's ability to focus. Duration may well be secondary
> > and the rest tertiary, I guess. Because there's something like a
> > half-life of controllability. If, say, you're a conspiracy theorist,
> > and you *entertain*, say, flat earth for long enough, maybe you'll lack
> > the ability to re-focus and don a critical attitude. Similarly, if you
> > embed into, say, procedural programming long enough, maybe you'll lose
> > the ability to re-focus and think functionally ... a kind of Functional
> > Impairment (sorry for the polysemy of "functional", there).
> >
> > --
> > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ
> >
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