[FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency
steve smith
sasmyth at swcp.com
Thu Aug 8 13:42:56 EDT 2024
> By the way, my daughter's title in the Secretary of Public Education
> Office is Financial Technician. I can multiply two 2 digit numbers
> mentally pretty fast.
>
> Frank
I so know the massive slowdown when I go from 2-3 digits (even 2x3)
multiplication... it goes from something mostly intuitive and barely
notational to worse than 50/50 and then acutely beyond if I go to more
digits, though not linear with quantity, superlinear with exponent/digits.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024, 7:11 AM Edward Angel <angel at cs.unm.edu> wrote:
>
> The following is hard to believe but true.
>
> Last weekend, I was in line at Walgreens. The older woman in front
> of me gave the cashier a $20 bill for a $13.54 purchase. The young
> cashier was completely unable to figure out the correct change.
> After a couple of failed tries, the older woman tried to teach the
> cashier how to subtract $13.54 from $20 but that was a failure.
> She then tried to get the casher to add to $13.54 until the
> cashier reach $20. When that failed, she helped the cashier add
> small change and dollars until she got to $6.46.
>
> I don’t think giving everyone a calculator is the solution.
>
> Ed
> _______________________
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science
> Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
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>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
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> Santa Fe, NM 87501
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>
>> On Aug 7, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure my 30+ year old daughter knows the times tables.
>> She works for the Secretary of Public Education. If you ask her
>> about it she will say she uses calculators and spreadsheets. I think.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g>
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 9:12 PM Russell Standish
>> <lists at hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> It is a test that you know your 7 or 8 times table. And the
>> definition
>> of a prime number (which could be given as part of the
>> question, if
>> not the curriculum).
>>
>> I would expect most 9 or 10 years olds should know their
>> times tables.
>>
>> Or am I wrong abut kids these days?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:43:54PM -0600, Tom Johnson wrote:
>> > Ms. O'Hara:
>> >
>> > RE your story Sunday, "Does proficiency give full picture?"
>> > From your lede:
>> > "Pop quiz: What number is both a prime number and a factor
>> or 56"?
>> >
>> > If I understand correctly, this is a question on an exam
>> given to fourth
>> > graders, 9- or 10-year-olds.
>> > Could you please point me to some source in the city or
>> state education
>> > departments who can tell me what short- or long-term value
>> this question about
>> > mathematics -- NOT arithmetic -- has for students that age?
>> >
>> > We live in a state where it is a rare cashier who can do
>> the mental
>> > arithmetic to make change from a $20 bill. Can we first
>> find out if fourth
>> > graders can do that before getting into primes and factorials?
>> > *--
>> > ============================================
>> > Tom Johnson - tom at jtjohnson.com
>> > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA
>> > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h)
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