[FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

[Pieter Steenekamp]

I don't follow your logic.
I totally agree with you that a reductionist explanation of consciousness
is not possible. I don't claim to understand anything about consciousness,
but I believe that it's an emergent complex phenomena.
There are many examples where real world emergent behavior are duplicated
in software.
What makes consciousness different? Granted, it has not, to my knowledge
been done, maybe there really are other factors involved? But I don't
follow the explanation that because you can't explain consciousness using a
reductionist approach it follows that, for example, an ABM approach will
not some day explain consciousness.
Like in Joshua Epstein's if you haven't grown it you haven't explained it.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 2:33 AM Frank Wimberly <wimberly3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But they (AI) won't have consciousness as I, and presumably you,
> experience it.  I have long argued that a reductionist explanation of that
> consciousness is not possible.  Does that mean I accept a religious
> explanation?  Not consciously.
>
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 5:26 PM Jochen Fromm <jofr at cas-group.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't get Philip Goff: first we send our children 20 years to school,
>> from Kindergarten to college and university, to teach them all kinds of
>> languages, and then we wonder how they can be conscious. It will be the
>> same for AI: first we spend millions and millions to train them all
>> available knowledge, and then we wonder how they can develop understanding
>> of language and consciousness...
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-mystery-of-consciousness-is-deeper-than-we-thought/
>>
>> -J.
>>
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