[FRIAM] Objective Reality Doesn’t Exist. We’ve Known This for a Century. It’s Time to Embrace It and Move On. | by Casper Wilstrup | Machine Consciousness | Medium

[Frank Wimberly]

It exists in my mind.  Joke.

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On Fri, May 31, 2024, 8:59 AM Nicholas Thompson <thompnickson2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This (see below) got served up to me out of the blue this morning.  The
> way it's put here, Frank and Bruce might actually agree with it.  Still,
> it's straight Peirce.  I have no idea who the author is; do any of you?
>
> Here's crucial passage.
>
> *Our understanding of reality needs a complete overhaul. Rather than
> viewing it as a fixed, external stage upon which events play out, we should
> consider it as a dynamic interplay between observers and their
> environment [*experiences*]. Reality, in this view, doesn’t reside out
> there, independent of us. Instead, reality is our interactions with the
> world  [*one another*], shaped and defined by our observations [*
> experiences*]. Reality is nothing but [*the telos of*] those interactions
> between subjects.*
>
> I had to make those little changes because the author,  like so many
> aspiring monists, after arguing against observer independence for a hundred
> words, slips up by implying that the "environment" is anything but
> something else that we have to agree upon, if we are ever going to get on
> with life.
>
> By the way,  I stipulate that nothing in his argument has ANYTHING to do
> with quantum mechanics. The argument would be sound even if the idea of a
> quantum had never been thought.  However, I like the idea of physics as
> some kind of language of convergent belief.
>
> By the way,  In history there seem to have been two ways for people
> converge on a common experience, charisma and democracy.  In charisma, we
> pick some idiot (usually a psychopath) and share his or her experience.  In
> democracy, we find  some way to blend our experiences into a common view.
> Sometime in the next few months we will decide which way we want to go.
>  Do we want to assign Trump the job of determining our common reality, or
> do we want to continue to work it out amongst ourselves through experiment
> and argument.
>
> Weather gorgeous here in the mosquito infested swamp.  Garden thriving.  A
> much better year.
>
> Watch that dry line in TX.  It's truly amazing.  Can it really be true
> that I am the only weather fanatic on a list that is devoted to
> complexity?   How can that be?
>
> NIck
>
>
>
>
> https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af
>
> <https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af>
> Objective Reality Doesn’t Exist: It is Time to Embrace it and Move On
> <https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af>
> The shift towards a unified, observer-dependent reality forces us to let
> go — once and for all — of the idea of objective reality
> medium.com
>
>
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