[FRIAM] How democracies die

[glen]

I agree. The crossover terms constrain the ungrounded phrases. The more crossover terms, the more constrained the ungrounded terms. Had Kevin said "What have you done to land you in that place in the world?", then it would imply a more constrained space of possible groundings. Prolly wouldn't have the necessary moralized narrative, though.

On 11/6/24 10:49, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> In logic programming one could have,
> 
> A) a few axioms, and a complex set of interwoven predicates that predict many properties of the world based on those properties.
> For example, the potential ramifications of killing someone:  Malfunctioning families, lost economic productivity, simulations of violence leading to more violence, etc.  Situational ethics, parallax, etc.
> 
> B) more specific axioms, with no complex of interwoven predicates.
> "Thou shalt not kill." (unless you are the president)
> 
> The metaphysics of B in isolation is not explained and thus is less developed and has less "merit" (putting free will aside).
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 10:28 AM
> To: friam at redfish.com
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> Hm. Implicit in the question "what have you done to earn" is will power or free will or somesuch. But the denial of (free) will is *not* the denial of development, nor is it the denial that credit/blame can be ascribed to people (regardless of whether they deserve it or not).
> 
> Moral luck posits that you can both be awarded and blamed for consequences for which you're the primary agent without positing that you deserve the award or blame. But whatever constructive "axioms" underly development are still there, still operative ... just without the metaphysics.
> 
> On 11/6/24 10:12, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> If we deny that value can be developed from simple axioms, then one can certainly deny value that is asserted without that development.   The collective nor the individual have any inherent value.
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>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 9:57 AM
>> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
>>
>> My answer? Nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_meritocracy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_meritocracy> And anyone who thinks they have done something to earn their place is sorely mistaken, whether the earning takes the form of credit or blame, whether their place is high or low.
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>> On 11/6/24 09:44, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>>> "What have you done to earn your place in this crowded world?"  Dr. Kevin Christie
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