[FRIAM] How democracies die

[Marcus Daniels]

I feel like you didn’t see the series. 

From: Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 12:33 PM
To: friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die 

Gemini needs to check its sources. 8^D

"Typical features of narcissistic personality disorder are variable and vulnerable self­ esteem, with attempts at regulation through attention and approval seeking, and either overt or covert grandiosity."

Like grandiosity, attention and approval seeking can be overt or covert, as well. One type of covert attention seeking is claiming that you're "worthy" whereas others are not, especially in a room full of those the narcissist thinks are not worthy.

On 11/6/24 12:11, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Ah, as Gemini explains.. I meant the latter. A covert action can’t be NPD because it could not receive admiration nor be presented as boastful. (In the series he has some conspirators, I don’t recall they were very cult-like.)
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> *Normal narcissism*
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> A healthy or exaggerated narcissism that is not a psychiatric disorder. It can be characterized by self-determination, arrogance, and intolerance of obstacles.
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> *Narcissistic personality disorder*
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> A mental health condition that is characterized by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. People with NPD may appear arrogant, boastful, or unlikeable. They may also have an inflated sense of their own importance, and lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. NPD is a lifelong condition that can be treated, but there is no cure.
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> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:53 AM
> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
> 
> Nah. I've met a lot of covert narcissists who take cover behind things like "the spectrum" or "awkwardness" or whatever. And narcissism need not be debilitating (diagnosable) to have a canalizing impact. A hallmark is the arrogant claim they *know* what the greater good is, much less how to get there.
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> On 11/6/24 11:44, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> I didn’t get that from the character. A sociopath, sure, but for the greater good and not out for attention.
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>> *From: *Friam <friam-bounces at redfish.com> on behalf of glen <gepropella at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:40 AM
>> *To: *friam at redfish.com <friam at redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
>> 
>> IDK. I don't really analyze cultural artifacts much or very well. But the next sentence might be helpful: "Everything I do is a cure for our current situation." So it's less about cutting his audience/herd into the meritorious versus the meritless and more about his narcissism or arrogance. It's an elevation of him above the herd.
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>> On 11/6/24 11:28, steve smith wrote:
>>> glen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree. The crossover terms constrain the ungrounded phrases. The more crossover terms, the more constrained the ungrounded terms. Had Kevin said "What have you done to land you in that place in the world?", then it would imply a more constrained space of possible groundings. Prolly wouldn't have the necessary moralized narrative, though.
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>>> I took it to be specifically manipulative, suggesting both credit and blame to double-team the person being confronted with a "header and a heeler", "a carrot and a stick"...
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>>> Is that in fact, the point of moralized narratives? To "herd" ?
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>>> Though I think Kevin's goal was actually "cutting" or "singling" in the herding vernacular.
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